Speaker 1: 0:00

You be saying the deepest stuff. So cool, just so, so chill.

Speaker 2: 0:05

I don't want to be one of them. Brimstone fire, like you are going to hell. I don't want that. The Bible does talk about us. You know saying things in a kind way being intentional about us yeah. And a gentle answer turns away wrath.

Speaker 1: 0:22

And we have wrath everywhere. How about we?

Speaker 2: 0:25

turn that down for a second and get to what needs to be said yes, Let your gentleness be evident.

Speaker 1: 0:32

I love that scripture. I'm working on it. But, Jordan, listen, Don't bring no drama my way. Don't bring no drama my way. Don't bring no drama my way. Yeah, I might have a great day. Don't bring no drama my way. Don't bring no drama my way. Don't bring no drama my way. What's up everybody, it's your girl.

Speaker 1: 1:00

Lish Speaks back with another episode of my podcast. I'll Just Let Myself In. This is the podcast where we don't wait for an imaginary permission slip or some invitation to some seat at an imaginary table. We let ourselves into our God-given doors. Now, y'all know I've been bringing y'all a lot of guests lately, Not so many solo episodes. Y'all know y'all want to fight me, but I'm bringing y'all guests because the Lord has been placing me around people who really embody what we do here at. I'll Just Let Myself In.

Speaker 1: 1:30

My guest today is someone who has been in the game in the gospel industry since 2012, from what I read but really has been making major waves in this season, and she has not been waiting for anyone to let her in, but has really been following the Holy Spirit to go through her God-given doors. Listen, she's a worship leader. She's someone who, by all accounts of the people that I've watched and listened to, truly lives this thing. You know, we have a thing here in the gospel. Some people were like, hmm. Some people were like, no, no, she's the real deal. Several here in the gospel. Some people were like. Some people were like, no, no, she's the real deal. Several people have told me that she is the real deal. Her life-changing live recording One has hit the world by storm 11 million streams, 6.3 million YouTube views.

Speaker 2: 2:22

One million of that is just my house alone One million of that is just my house alone.

Speaker 1: 2:24

I am so grateful to have you here. She's on tour. We're going to talk about her tour. We're going to talk about her recent performance at the Stella Awards. Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, jordan, don't forget the G. Well, she's in the building. Welcome, hi, welcome, welcome. You are so beautiful inside and out. Truly. Thank you Y'all.

Speaker 1: 2:45

I'm excited because Jordan and I met so briefly in the press room at the Stella Awards, and even me being in that press room it was a long story to that. The Lord had me up in there, yeah, and it was such a divine meeting. Because you don't know who's coming in these rooms. Some people may come, some people may not. So you don't know who's coming in these rooms. You know some people may come, some people may not, so you don't really have a question prepared. Yeah, but the second I saw you, I had to come and ask you about your beautiful song, the Beatitudes. That was a good question, thank you. Thank you so much, so we're gonna get to that later. But, jordan, you are in the midst of what I feel is a real, not just media storm, but like man.

Speaker 2: 3:30

I just got sleepy thinking about it.

Speaker 1: 3:32

Yeah, yeah, the Lord is putting you in the places, ain't he?

Speaker 2: 3:34

Yes, how are you handling it all? Yes, a good friend of mine taught me it's okay to you know, know, read and see and like be a part of all the celebrations and what people are thinking and what God is doing, but don't consume it. And so I'm really taking my time to celebrate, but I'm very mindful not to consume it to where it takes me higher than I need to be and it makes me more dependent on things that I had nothing to do with. So it's a lot. There's so much happening. There's so much happening, but I'm grateful. I'm grateful. It's a lot.

Speaker 1: 4:19

Are you naturally an introvert. I don't know anymore. She's like I'm birding whatever the it's just like I'm birding whatever the bird needs.

Speaker 2: 4:25

Yeah, I'm birding for sure. Um yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 4:32

I asked that because I think a lot of times many of us who are in entertainment specifically on the artist side, which I had a quick stint with it requires so much giving and people think because of the way you emote, when you are in your gift, when I emote, when I'm rapping or even doing this you saw me go from regular to people think that's how you actually are, but. I'm operating in my gift, so the Lord is giving me.

Speaker 2: 5:07

Yeah the energy to do that. I just I know I appreciate naps yeah, um, I do, but like I think about when I'm around my family, or my close friends.

Speaker 2: 5:17

I can be a real goofball yeah, yeah it might be a quiet one, but I'm a real goofball, so I that's why it's like I don't know if I call myself an introvert, or if it's just's why it's like I don't know if I call myself an introvert or if it's just moments where it's like, okay, let me, let me be a human for a second, yes, and then I can be whatever I need and you are allowed, you are allowed.

Speaker 1: 5:34

I think about what it takes in the midst of all that you're doing and people like you. Right, we're in season, we're about to hit doves. We got you know, we got a lot going on and then, when you are at what is a concert for other people, it is a time of leading worship for you. What are you pulling on spiritually to get in the space when you may not have had the day to be in that?

Speaker 2: 5:57

space. Yeah, I mean I'm pulling on the Lord heavily because I've made it my mission to not have any place I go to, not even just a tour. Any place I go to be, rent and repeat.

Speaker 2: 6:13

That's just so not fair to anybody and it's to suggest that the Lord can't do a new thing in a new place, and so I pull on him because there's something he wants to do, it's something he wants to say for that particular place at that particular time, and I want to make sure I'm postured and positioned enough to receive that. And no, I don't always get the chance to just lay flat on my face all day and then wake up with a golden light around my face and say here we go, guys, I don't get to do that all the time, but in the times that I do, I really take in those deposits because it's the time I put there that helps me, even when I don't have time here, to get what I need for over there.

Speaker 1: 6:55

Yeah, you know do you surround yourself with people who help bring that energy and life back into you? Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 7:03

Absolutely All of my friends are just. They're just good people and they don't. They celebrate me for sure, but they're not fans if that makes sense, right they're not, they're not so celebratory that they don't call me out when, I need to be, or they don't say, hey, slow down, or hey, stop trying to do everything by yourself, right, they're just good people and that helps, right, because when I need to take my cape off, I have somewhere to do that and it's not like, oh, look what she just did.

Speaker 1: 7:35

Yeah, you have a space to be yourself. Yes, it's really really important. Recently, you know, I interviewed Enrique and we had a time chatting and chatting, but he was speaking about the fact that he didn't know that he was performing at the Stullers no Up until about a week or two before. Is the story the same with you Basically? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:57

I love that. Yeah, tasha had called me and she gave me the idea and I was like I mean, yeah, if we could do it, we could do it. But we didn't get the about a week or so before. I love that. So I was like, well, we'll just be ready regardless.

Speaker 1: 8:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How cool is it, I think, for you to have people who have been in the game either just as long as peers, or even people you look up to see you in this season and say I feel like the Lord wants to let her in to this space.

Speaker 2: 8:31

It's really cool. It's really cool to not just see them but for them to see me, and I think the most special things is when they pray for me, Because you know, there's the idea, the rumors, the thoughts of gatekeeping and really trying to hold tight to what you have. But the people that I've been able to engage with, especially even at the Stellars, they were just so kind and so encouraging. What are people so Christ-like? It was beautiful.

Speaker 1: 8:58

The artists of it all. It was beautiful, I was telling someone. The artists were so amazing. Yes, Like I be at a lot of places and the energy be tense, yeah you know. But what I love to do? One I have a real desire for people to have a memorable experience absolutely with me.

Speaker 1: 9:18

Yeah, but because of what they said, not because of what I said. I want people to leave me feeling happy with the answers, like I gave a good answer to that or I looked really good in that interview, like I really want people to like themselves more when they're around me. It it's very important to me and so in spaces like that, you kind of have to. You got to be light on your feet. You know what I mean. To figure it out, yeah, and I was really encouraged because I felt that, even though this venue was a little different than the ones in the past, it was my first one Same. So everyone was like, oh, the other one was big. You know people, ones in the past from, this was my, it was my first one same. So everyone was like, oh, the other one was big. You know, people get interesting, yes, um, but I was like listen, lord, you have me here for a reason. I'm finna have a good time. I'm not letting people stress me out. This new york, this is beautiful. I'm not letting these people stress me out, and so, um, I really did find that, even more so than other media personalities. There's no shade. Other media personalities, even managers.

Speaker 1: 10:11

The artists were so kind and gracious and I was like usually it's the other way around. Usually people are like sorry they got to go. We can't stop, you know. But the artist was like no. When I tell you that some of the artists are like that's all the questions, because they only let us ask one question, they're like what's the uh-uh? Like you know what I mean, and I just was like this is really cool, like I really really appreciated that. I think about some of the things that you have going on and you've had going on for some time now. One thing I want to talk about is choir rehearsal. I want to talk about how that started, where that came from. So many people I've read over 50,000 participants have been a part of. That is crazy and really amazing and a testament to the fact that people know that when they come to see you, they're going to see him. So how did choir rehearsal start?

Speaker 2: 10:58

So back in 2021, I did a tour with Jackie Hill Perry in partnership with Lifeway Women, called the Glory Tour. It was called Glory, we've been calling it the Glory tour and usually with life voice formats they try to have some kind of break that like breaks up the monotony between the teaching and the worship. And Jackie called me and she said um, how you feel about teaching the audience a song? I said yeah, because it's always been my dream. In my journals I would write I want to direct a 250 person choir, and so I was like 250 times four, and so in between, during our breaks, we would choose a song and I'd have 25 minutes to turn a room full of strangers into a choir. So from 2021, pretty much up until now that's what it's been and so what we've done at the time.

Speaker 2: 11:54

Now I can't even tell you how many cities it was 19 cities by the time we got done with the glory season and that last city, we had a few thousand in the room and then there were several thousand, like several double digit thousands that were watching and they were turning their rooms into the choirs with us online, and so it's just it's really been impactful, because I'm very passionate about breaking down the wall between the platform and the pew and choir. Rehearsal, for me, is about making it possible for everybody to participate, and so once they actually see, oh, this works, we can do this you can just feel the lightness in the room, you can see the fun, you can see the enjoyment and you can also help people to see what they can do on Sundays. Because don't think that because you're not on the stage, you can't participate at all.

Speaker 1: 12:44

You can.

Speaker 2: 12:45

It's just depending on how much we actually make it inclusive and inviting for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't seem like you desire fame. I do not.

Speaker 1: 12:54

I can tell I really do, and I don't like when people call me famous because it just no, I can tell and I think it is really interesting that you're on stages constantly, even before you were an artist per se, right Leading worship I heard you talk about on an interview on the Still Coloring podcast about how you were part of a church one time and you really didn't have like people there and it was different denominationally than the way you were raised and it was a really tough season, but you kept going and you kept giving um.

Speaker 1: 13:31

How does a person who doesn't desire fame and doesn't desire the spotlight continue to find themselves in the position of leading in this way I'm just following the lord got to be. There's no other explanation for it.

Speaker 2: 13:49

Right, I'm just following the Lord I'm. I've seen some things, um. I've seen what it is to let praise get to you. I've seen what it is to take the focus off of the Lord, and I just really don't want to catch that smoke at all. I'm not even kidding you. I love God's people and I really love serving them and helping them. I don't need to be famous to do that, and I'm honored that he would have me be in the spaces that I've been in. I just really don't want to take his glory for myself. So I really try to make sure that, at the end of the day no matter where, how we've met or how we've, you know, interacted with one another, that you saw Jesus. If you didn't, then please forgive me. It might've been a bad moment, but no, I'm not. It was never my desire, even when I first started artistry to you know, oh, I want to make it to billboard. I want I don't know what half that stuff was.

Speaker 1: 14:46

You done, did it three times.

Speaker 2: 14:48

Okay, what is this? And I had a day job. I had a whole day job. What?

Speaker 1: 14:52

were you doing?

Speaker 2: 14:53

I'm a chemical engineer by degree, so I'm in. It all the time. So I'm just like, how can you rise to fame? And when I tried, not even to be famous, I just wanted to do music. When I tell you guys, shut that door so fast, you would think the door never existed. It was a wall really yes, no.

Speaker 2: 15:11

So I'm like, okay, well, I have to really be careful about what it means to do things for other people on behalf of God, so yeah, I think um about someone in your background who's had a day job, something in a very um difficult field, completely left field.

Speaker 1: 15:30

Yeah, um completely not, you know, and my husband is in IT and he doesn't. He never wants to be in front of a camera ever, Like I'm like, can you please do an episode if people want another episode with you in it?

Speaker 1: 15:40

He's like you know, and this is a behind the scenes kind of background, but what that, to me, allows for is a peace in whatever way this all goes. See, so many people, so many people's joy, peace, happiness is dependent upon some outside source. They need this to work right, and I've caught myself in that place in the past before not necessarily with this line of work, but in other things that I've done and I have found that even if God blesses it, the blessing doesn't stay because it's not about him. So eventually you get your reward in full. If the reward was applause, you had the applause. Now the anointing is off of it, and if it was ever there in the first place, knock that T but and then it's gone.

Speaker 1: 16:32

You know what I mean. And because you've gotten your reward. And I think when the reward is to see his face, when the reward is to lead people to him, it's a different kind of sacrifice. It's a different kind of sacrifice Ask me how. I know I'm like, come on now, it got to be this hard, but it really does bring a different type of joy as well. It really really does.

Speaker 1: 16:55

Talking about being at his feet, you know. Talking about being, you know, one with God, really wanting to see his face and lead other people to him. You wrote a devotional book, which is not the way a lot of people go.

Speaker 2: 17:10

No.

Speaker 1: 17:10

People be writing books about themselves, which is okay. I've learned a lot. No, that's not shade y'all. That's not shade because y'all know I'm an avid reader and a lot of y'all books is really good. Please come on my show and talk to me about them. I love it. How and ever a lot of people in our industry don't go the devotional route. What made you go in that direction for your book?

Speaker 2: 17:38

The album was based on scripture and when we were doing the live recording, in between most of the songs I had bumper videos that I didn't look at them that way. But everybody else was like, oh, you doing these sermonettes. And I was like, ah. So when I started packaging what would be available for everybody to watch, I didn't include those bumpers. It was like I'm not going to put those out, something else has to come from it. Um, and the idea would not leave me to do a devotional that's based on the scriptures that wrote the album.

Speaker 2: 18:10

so I made sure all we're going to do this in a way that keeps the relationship going right. People, I love when people tell me that they found the scripture that song was based on. Praise God, because that was the point. The point of that album was to draw you to the word. So if I draw you to the word, you open up the word and you're looking at other commentaries or you know other Bible study tools. That's cool, but let me also help guide you in that as well. Or maybe you haven't heard the album yet, but you have the devotional. It's just to build this cyclical relationship where you have the word, you have the songs, you have the inspiration behind them, but you also have some more in-depth study where you do it for yourself. That was the heart behind it, because I'm not interested in having people just take my word for it, go to the word for it and see if I'm right or wrong.

Speaker 1: 18:57

Talking about going to the word, let's talk about the Beatitudes.

Speaker 2: 19:00

Okay, let's just get to it.

Speaker 1: 19:03

First of all, I do not even like to play that song. If someone else is in the car with me, Maybe my husband, that is me and the Lord, that is a time one, because I literally cannot hold back tears. I could have just been listening to, like Barney, it could have been something so juvious. If that song comes on when you and G Moore, am I saying his name, right?

Speaker 2: 19:26

yes, that brother Donny Hathaway, reincarnated.

Speaker 1: 19:30

Oh my lord the way that y'all sang that song and I told you this at the Stellars and it happened to me this morning I was like no girl get it together when you guys start singing. Your life, your life is not in vain. I again, I said this at the Stellars. I've never really struggled with suicidal ideations or anything like that. So when that song choked me up the first time I heard it, I was like why are you crying? You know what I mean. You know your life is not in vain.

Speaker 2: 20:05

Like girl, what's wrong?

Speaker 1: 20:06

with you and talking to my best friend who was a therapist. She's not my therapist, she doesn't remind me that, but she's a therapist. She's not my therapist, she doesn't remind me that, but she's a therapist and she's actually the one that put me onto your album. So I don't call us a girl now this song thanks therapist. I said why her name is Jasmine. Shout out to you Jazz. I said um, I was telling her. I don't know why that's making me cry and she said you should.

Speaker 1: 20:25

You should explore that, yes, and as I've explored that it's been couple of months now I think a part of why it makes me so emotional is because when you are doing the work of the Lord, trying your best you're not perfect, you're a sinner, but you are working hard yeah, you can start to wonder if it's making a difference. Sure, you can start to wonder if you're even worthy. Yeah, you can look at the areas in your life where you have failed and think, man, did I miss it? Did I miss my mark?

Speaker 1: 21:01

You know, and I think inside of me there are some unhealed places that doesn't completely believe that my life is not in vain. Yeah, and so when you guys were, because that the song goes there, don't start there. It's blessed, all the pure, it's beautiful. Now the beatitudes go up in there. You know, if you probably know that, but yeah, you, you start at one place and you go into that place. How did you get there? And then how did you decide to park there? Because y'all parked there for a minute.

Speaker 2: 21:30

Yeah, I was at a healing retreat, okay, and this melody came Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. And I was like, oh, that's cool, it's the Beatitudes, but I could not leave out the message your life is not in vain. I'm like, why? For?

Speaker 1: 21:49

me. That's why.

Speaker 2: 21:55

That your life is not in vain. I'm like why that's not in the scripture? Especially because we hear the words blessed are, blessed are, blessed are, and that makes people think positive first. But if you actually read the scripture, blessed are the poor in spirit, blessed are those who mourn Like those are not positive things. And at the time when I was looking at it I was like those are not positive things.

Speaker 2: 22:14

And at the time when I was looking at it I was like, well, laura, why are you saying blessed are, if you're giving us this litany of things that don't quite seem blessed according to our standards? And the more I studied it, the more I looked at some of the underlying text. It was just like, well, what has society said is winning, and what does the kingdom say is winning? And so while we are thinking, okay, if I don't have material things, if I don't have those wins, if I don't have all these joyous things in my life is in vain. God doesn't love me, god doesn't think well of me, and that's not it at all. He actually calls us to the countercultural terms of it right those who don't think so highly of themselves, those who are going through loss, those who have to fight to make peace Like. These are things that will come up in our walk with the Lord.

Speaker 2: 23:01

Just because we walk with him doesn't mean we win, according to how society says we will, and that's just for those of us that are completely able-bodied. What about those who were born with some kind of disability or something that puts them at a disadvantage? You think that God made a mistake and that you can't do, but that's not true either. You are absolutely here for a purpose and, according to Ecclesiastes 3, everything has a purpose, everything has a season, and it's made beautiful in his timing. So, no, you may not see it right now, but your life is not in vain, because he doesn't waste, he doesn't make mistakes, and just because you are going through some things in a tough way doesn't mean you're not winning. You're actually blessed, and the fact that it says blessed are means you're blessed now. You don't have to wait until the season is over to be blessed. You're blessed in this very moment and you're enduring, just as he endured to get to the better side.

Speaker 1: 23:58

She finna, get me y'all. No, because that part about blessed are period.

Speaker 2: 24:09

Period Period Right now, in the moment, in the trial.

Speaker 1: 24:14

Yes, I lost a dear friend this summer to cancer, a mentor and friend, and very quick. She was diagnosed in May, lost her in July. Wow, and one of the things that I've learned from that experience is that God has a plan for our lives. Absolutely, and we don't know when or how. Yeah, but the way she lived, the way she lived, the things she taught me, the things she taught us our church she was one of the elders wives in my church it's just this Bless, it matter what, even the way she died blessed. And I think about how much my spirit needs to be convicted of that truth. Yeah, because the truth of the matter is we can get caught up very easily. You know, you got lights and cameras and opportunities and red carpets and all those things that don't matter.

Speaker 1: 25:15

Nope, you know I always tell people when you get to the gate. The Lord is not going to ask you about the events you went to for the gospel. He ain't going to ask you what church you went to. He ain't going to ask you about your pastor. Some of us can't go nowhere without saying my pastor's someone. So the Lord is not going to ask you that he's not. He really is not. It's either going to be well done or it ain't, and I think that there's a true calling back to this. I see this really strong in our generation, a calling back to what truly matters, and I feel like your album One did so much of that. You talked about preaching a little bit between songs. We could hear it in the fade out. How do you feel about preaching? Is it something that you want to do more of?

Speaker 2: 25:59

At this point I can't say no. I used to always say that's for my parents, that's for my parents, that's for my parents. It's not something that I will chase, but I will absolutely obey.

Speaker 1: 26:10

You ain't chasing this.

Speaker 2: 26:11

It's chasing you.

Speaker 1: 26:13

That's the thing.

Speaker 2: 26:14

If God has called you to it. You do not have a choice. You can run as long as you want, and eventually you're going to run right into it, you know.

Speaker 2: 26:26

So I appreciate and I love the word of God and I care that people hear about it, and hear it in a way that they see the God that they keep hearing about and they get to experience him, they get to know him, and whatever means that happens, be it through a song or a sermon or a teaching, a podcast you know a voice note? Yeah, a caption is his word and his word is to be shared.

Speaker 1: 26:49

Yeah yeah, let's talk a little bit about gospel music. You have this thing where you'll pull on songs from the past, absolutely with a crazy arrangement. Praise god and you and them sing us, child love the runs the. You know it's just beautiful. Um, you have really strong gospel components. You also have a little jazz, I feel a little R&B, a tiny CCM in there. How are you feeling about the discourse right now around gospel music versus CCM and all that stuff?

Speaker 2: 27:26

In my heart, the main thing has to be the main thing, and if we are doing what we are supposed to do and the main thing is for the gospel to be shared and for disciples to be made, then that's what it should be. I know that everyone has their feelings about what's authentic and what's not. If we're not the judge of what's holy and what's not, we can't decide what's authentic and what's not. Eventually it'll tell on itself. Um, but I feel that we are. We're getting busy, and when I say we're getting busy, we're looking a little too much inward, and when you look too much inward, you you start picking out things that just it was never about that, and so I my prayer is that we would just go back to focusing up. When we focus up, then we can hear from him on what he wants to do and what we share, and what we do will ultimately point people to him. I tell people at the tour we got to be careful not to even make our playlists in idle.

Speaker 2: 28:29

Because, if we suggest that I can only get to the throne by this way and this person this time, this string, this key and chord which, again, we don't even know what music sounded like in the Bible anyway but if I suggest that this is the only way I can get to God, then we've made an idol and we have made it such that something that is lifeless cannot save you at all, cannot heal, you, cannot do anything. It is a mechanism. Mechanisms are not God. Mechanisms are ways in which God may move.

Speaker 2: 28:58

So I think we have to do better at just getting right back to the main thing, and that's focusing on the Lord, and when we do that, he guides us and people will be able to discern what's him and what's not. But as long as we keep pointing at each other, like that stupid Spider-Man gif, what's him and what's not, but as long as we keep pointing at each other like that stupid Spider-Man gif, then we'll in fact, that's actually the perfect analogy. You're fighting yourself, and a house divided cannot stand, and so I'd like us to stop dividing ourselves and get back to the main thing that's most important, and that's God and making sure his disciples are discipled after him not after us and that his gospel is spread yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:39

Perfect answer.

Speaker 2: 29:40

Praise God.

Speaker 1: 29:42

Gospel legends seem to love you a lot. Oh they really like you and I saw recently on your Instagram Mariah Brown Clark. Yes, was speaking life into you, man. Oh, my favorite song, yes, she was, and it was so beautiful to see her just repeat that the hand of God is on you. Yeah, I'm sure that was a very special experience, but I know you've had some others. Tell me about the influence of gospel legends on your life.

Speaker 2: 30:20

Well, when I was a kid, I couldn't listen to anything but them and Dr Charles Stanley. So do it.

Speaker 2: 30:31

They were seeds planted that I didn't know were being planted and so as I was getting older and I started, you know, hearing things in church that resonated with what was being sung by them, and then seeing them in person and seeing them in action, it was just like okay, you know, train up a child in the way he should go and when he gets older he won't depart. I felt that line from when I first heard them to now being able to see them and hug them and everything. So it's really beautiful to even see how my heart jumps at them without even having been able to, like, sit. Like Marrette I've been able to sit and chat with. I love her.

Speaker 1: 31:11

She's awesome.

Speaker 2: 31:12

Haven't been able to do that with everyone that I've come in contact with, but just being able to now even tell them genuinely I appreciate what you did for me and you have no idea like that's special. Yeah, that's helpful, and so I just love being able to point back and say I remember when and it'd be true, yeah, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:33

You've given me that experience today, truly, oh, like you gave me the experience to share with someone whose music has changed my life, who's helped me to tell them, you know, being able to give people their flowers, and I experienced this as well on these red carpets. I was at the BMI, did a honored John P Key a couple of months back, yep, and I was able to be there interview Kirk Franklin. So I was just, I was like you don't get it, like I almost wanted to, like I wanted to grab. It would have been completely unprofessional if I didn't do it, but I wanted to grab him and say you literally raised me Like cause my mother wasn't having it either either. I had to sneak and listen to. I was sneaking and listening to it, you know, but my mother was not having it.

Speaker 1: 32:24

And so Kirk Franklin, mary, Mary when they came along like these are the people who I could jam to and just getting to be around them, and I love and I've had very few odd experiences, but I love when people are exactly who you thought they were going to be yes, it's like the best, and so I really love that. The legends are giving you your flowers, your peers are giving you your flowers. Enrique had nothing but amazing things to say about you and this was off camera, you know. We were just talking about the experience. I really believe that, if it is the Lord's will, which it's looking like it is, you are going to become one of those very legends that in 10, 15, 20 years, it'll be your 10th, 15th, 20th stellars, right, yeah, and you'll be answering these questions from a place of deep experience and knowledge of the goodness of God in this genre in this arena.

Speaker 1: 33:24

I want to encourage you to weather the storms that will come. I want to encourage you to never lose this posture that I'm seeing, I can see when I said you don't, you don't desire fame. You know that wasn't on here, I can just see it, I can tell and I believe that it's going to take you very, very far. Your presence and your energy. Let me take energy away. Your presence Cause child, child they be like energy is from.

Speaker 2: 33:51

you know we're going to edit this out child the, because child, child they be like energy is from you know we're going to edit this out. Child the saints baby. I had a whole topic with Dionne Kipping about that when we were writing.

Speaker 1: 34:00

The saints baby. They be on my head about what version of the Bible I use. I said now, come on now. You just read it.

Speaker 1: 34:07

Read it anyway. Your presence and the Holy Spirit that shows up in you is very, very palpable and I pray that it always stays that way. I'm excited for those of us, those of you, who are going to be able to see you on tour the worship culture tour and they're going to be able to get an opportunity to sit in the room and observe, absorb rather, to sit in the room and absorb what God is doing in your life, but also what he desires to do in theirs, Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 34:39

Tell me what they can expect on tour.

Speaker 2: 34:42

You can expect the songs. Right, that's we're we're going to do worship in song to break down the walls. Right, get everybody comfortable, but also get them, you know, ready to receive what the Lord has to say. Yes, you can expect choir rehearsal there as well, because I got to test, you see, if you actually listen to the album.

Speaker 2: 35:02

But then Saturday is where we really do the education piece. We really break down the scriptures, not the opinions. We break down the scriptures of what God intends worship to be in all of his believers, and so they can you know experience that they can also ask questions.

Speaker 2: 35:21

I've had some really interesting questions so far in the previous cities. But it's needed because people just expect y'all, everybody, to just know what it is, because it's to them it's a song. But I believe if we really take the time to take in what the Lord is saying worship is, then you can do it, whether you have your favorite worship leader or not, whether they sing your song on Sunday or not, or, better yet, god forbid. But if it does happen, if we find ourselves in another pandemic and we can't get to the church house or we have a blackout and you cannot play your favorite song on your phone radio, whatever, can you do what you need to do in order to make them pleased. And so we're breaking down all the myths and all the things that have people thinking that because they can't sing or play or whatever, that they can't worship, oh yes, you can and will and will, especially when you get done with me. Amen, I love it. Get done with me, amen.

Speaker 1: 36:14

Glory to God. I love it, I love it. I asked a question to close out our show here, and that question is in the grand scheme of things, what do you want your legacy to be?

Speaker 2: 36:28

I pointed them to God. I really do. I don't when people say the things of like, oh you're next, you're going to be up there, you're going to be a legend. That is so heavy to me because it's like, whew, that's a weight that I don't know about, but no matter what people receive and no matter what products or whatever that I put out there, I want them to always be pointed to God. Yeah, period. We have a lot of noise and we have a lot of God wannabes and I don't want no parts of looking like that, because every single one of them will be destroyed. Yeah, and I don't want to be a part of what helps people to turn away from God. I want to be what helps them to turn to him and cultivate that relationship, because that's what matters in the end, right.

Speaker 2: 37:17

Flowers fade, but God's word remains, and I want them to be a part of that.

Speaker 1: 37:23

Yeah, listen, tony said it on the Still Coloring Podcast that you be saying the deepest stuff. So cool, just so, so chill.

Speaker 2: 37:32

I don't want to be one of them. Brimstone fire, like you are going to hell. I don't want that. The Bible does talk about us. You know saying things in a kind way being intentional about it. And a gentle answer turns away wrath.

Speaker 1: 37:49

And we have wrath everywhere. How about? We turn that down for a second and get to what needs to be said yes, let your gentleness be evident. I love that scripture. I'm working on it. But listen, I'm so grateful that you've come here, that you took time out of your very busy schedule to come hang out with us at the I'll just Let Myself In podcast. Is there anything that you want my audience or your audience to know before we let you go today?

Speaker 2: 38:17

Yeah, actually, yeah, tell us, Because I just shared with the world that I'm a I don't know what they call grandkids. My dad's a CODA child of a deaf adult Okay, or deaf adults. Both his parents were deaf, and September is Deaf Aware awareness month, okay. And so, while I have put out ASL videos instead of lyric videos to help contribute to that deaf community uh it, even putting that project together, I've learned so much about how we keep the lens of life based off of how do we like how we experience it, and I'd like us to not do that anymore. I we like how we experience it, and I'd like us to not do that anymore. I challenge everybody, even for a few minutes, to just think about how life is experienced by someone that's not you, someone that's not your race, someone that doesn't have all of your faculties, someone that doesn't have your socioeconomic background. Like, what does it mean for someone who can't hear to navigate this life where systems are built for?

Speaker 2: 39:11

those who can. What does it mean for someone who can't hear to navigate this life where systems are built for those who can? What does it mean for someone who can't walk to experience this life where there are systems and structures for people who can right? I think when we do that, the way we see the gospel will be different and the way we see worship will be different, and the way we see God's love will be different, and even the way we see the Beatitudes will be different because, they are still blessed.

Speaker 2: 39:36

But if we do not experience life like they do and we don't think about how they experience life, we do even them a disservice in sharing God's love. So just for a few moments, just consider what it means for someone who doesn't live like you to live life, and then how can we help them?

Speaker 1: 39:53

yeah, how can we be of service? Yes that's incredible. Thank you so much for bringing my awareness, because I didn't know that so I will make sure that we. We definitely highlight that here on the podcast. Thank you again for being here.

Speaker 1: 40:05

Thanks for having me um blessings and blessings and more blessings to everything that you have going on. Anytime you need anything from for me from holy culture, you know I'm one phone call away, so thanks so much for being here. I appreciate it. Awesome, thank you. This has been another episode of I'll Just Let Myself In the podcast, where we don't wait for an imaginary permission slip or some seat at an imaginary table, we walk through our God-given doors.

Speaker 1: 40:27

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