Speaker 1: 0:00

I truly don't believe that it's always been. Women didn't have a place. I really am at the point now where I'm like women have to own it and I said my grandmother told me something when I was like five A woman can run faster with a skirt up than a man with his pants down, but I think not having my mother there was one of the things that led me to go look for love in a lot of other places. So I'm kind of grateful we didn't have a relationship, or you and I probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

Speaker 2: 0:42

Don't bring no drama my way. Don't bring no drama my way. What's up everybody. It's your girl. Lish Speaks. And we are back for another episode of I'll Just Let Myself In the podcast, where we do not wait for imaginary permission slips, we don't wait for anybody to give us a seat at some imaginary table. We literally walk through our God-given doors. I'm excited today because I have a legend in CHH in the building. She is a CHH Hall of Famer, co-host of the Stella Award-winning the Fix radio show. She's an artist, a red carpet interviewer, a mother, a red carpet interviewer, a mother and a soon-to-be grandmother. I missed a couple of things. She got some businesses, CHH University CEO, all that stuff. But if you're not under a rock in this community of ours, you know I'm talking about none other than Dice Gamble. Yes, give it up. Y'all Welcome, welcome to the couch.

Speaker 1: 1:44

Thank you, that was an amazing welcome, geez. I didn't know who you talking about for a minute. I was like who is, where is she? You gotta love that. Praise God. I want some more going on too. When you talk to Jesus, tell him huh, okay listen.

Speaker 2: 2:01

This is a fun episode because in the month of May, I've been doing this series called Mothers. I Admire and I'm really excited because not only are you a mom, but you're getting ready to be a grandma. I know, right, and you're still cool. Thank you, fly, and all of that stuff, right. And I think we're in a generation like you're, the first generation of grandmothers. Yeah, who knows CHH? Right, like that's fire.

Speaker 2: 2:30

Imagine how your grandchild is gonna grow up and I'm already thinking yes, what's gonna be spoken over there, like they're gonna grow up knowing nothing else so absolutely right this is amazing. Okay, so before we get into you as a mom, tell me a little bit about you as a child, your upbringing, your origin story, if we will.

Speaker 1: 2:51

Yeah, so I had a wonderful upbringing. Actually, definitely my parents got married and got divorced but being from a small town, evansville, indiana, my upbringing was very safe. You know I grew up with you could go to your grandmother's house, your auntie's house, just walk right on in Everybody's cooking, you know, on the block Everybody knows your name. My family pretty much raised me in church. You know what I'm saying. Just that Sunday for sure. You know, saturday choir practice, thursday night, prayer meeting, wednesday night, this Tuesday night, that. So I had a great balance of faith and you know. And then my mom was a young mother, so she was pregnant at 17, happy at 18, you know. So she kind of let my grandmother raised me. So my grandmother kind of kept me, you know, focused on my faith, but I had a little freedom there because you know, hey, my mom was outside. Yeah, well, your mama, I don't know, don't care either.

Speaker 1: 3:47

I'm here for the ice cream right, so um but had a, had a really tight-knit community, um you know, and had a good balance of being raised around different um, you know, I don't know races and things like that, so you know it was good, it was good, you know, I mean, here's the deal.

Speaker 1: 4:03

Scars, of course, from you know. Not having a father in the home, you know, and it was good. It was good, you know, I mean, here's the deal. Scars, of course, from you know. Not having a father in the home, you know, and then definitely having an absent mother a lot of times. But I praise God for grandmothers and aunties who step up to the plate, because I'm like those are the two fun ladies anyways.

Speaker 2: 4:19

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to do yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:25

We'll get back to go ahead, but it is so important to have community.

Speaker 2: 4:26

Yeah, super important. I feel like we're coming back around to it, but we had lost the plot for a while as a people we really had up to my black people. Um, we had lost the plot in terms of community yeah, I think we got so, um, maybe insulated.

Speaker 2: 4:43

I think kobe did a number on us as a nation, not just black people, just you know, people not knowing their neighbors at all, people not know. Like you know, we talked about the same thing. I grew up, we just everybody knew everybody you know, kind of thing, and especially I grew up in Bed-Stuy, brooklyn, but my grandmother lived in Red Hook.

Speaker 2: 5:01

That's good. And when I would go to Red Hook because I spent a lot of time in Red Hook, because that's where my grandmother and my cousins were Everybody knew everybody People left their doors open. You could kind of go, you know, like if you didn't want to go upstairs to use the bathroom, because you didn't want to get told to stay in the house, you just went to your front house and went to the bathroom.

Speaker 2: 5:19

Yeah, it was just would be outside and just holding each other down, um, and things have changed drastically in the last several years, but I feel like we're getting back to community you think so, yeah, I do.

Speaker 1: 5:30

I love that. I think we are okay. What do you think? No, you said you hey, I believe what you think. I'm riding on your faith. I'm like we talk about it. You said it, I agree. I'm like, hey, it's me and you.

Speaker 2: 5:42

You know, jesus said yes okay, alright, so as a kid, did you always know you wanted to be in radio? Did you want to be in entertainment?

Speaker 1: 5:51

I mean, I was at the record player, if I can date myself singing. You dropped a bomb on me.

Speaker 2: 5:58

I was into it. I was like, yeah, this is me.

Speaker 1: 6:01

But I grew up in a musical family. My grandmother played the piano for the church, my aunts everybody sang and everybody could sing. That's why I rapped, because I couldn't.

Speaker 2: 6:09

I'll say the same thing, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1: 6:10

Everybody had a voice and I'm like thank God for Salt-N-Pepa and MC.

Speaker 2: 6:15

Lyte coming along, we're going to talk about it, yeah get left off the hook.

Speaker 1: 6:20

Family loving music, you know, raised around music. That's why I said I had the blessing of secular music and, you know, being a part of the church. So that's why I enjoy what we do now, because I'm like God.

Speaker 2: 6:30

You just knew yeah, you knew I was gonna hold on yeah, my upside down by Diana Ross. Let's talk really quickly, since we talked about you know your influences. Who are your biggest musical influences and have you gotten to interview any of them?

Speaker 1: 6:49

mmm, definitely you know. Obviously everybody grew up on Michael Jackson before you know whatever. And your Prince, I mean, I can go down a list, but it was, it was more of. You know the rappers. You know treacherous three. Like you know everybody. You know full force, like I'm. I'm from the. You know I'm a little bit older than you so you know I'm saying, like they're my influence, I have yet to I take that back. Everybody in chh that I love and and have influenced me, I pretty much got yes, except for kurt franklin.

Speaker 1: 7:20

Yeah, it's two people kurt franklin, kurt franklin and ty tribett I think I recently interviewed Kirk Franklin for 10 seconds. Yeah of your 10 seconds, yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:29

I appreciate you now I'm motivated when I got off here to call somebody and it was. He is everything you would expect him to be. Well, he was. He was on our bench at the Stellars.

Speaker 1: 7:39

You know what I'm saying, just playing around, we were at the Celebrity Basketball Game in Vegas and we love him, everybody loves him. But yeah, I want to interview everyone, like every artist, even if I love them, like them or not, like that's where I am with what we do now, because God just really reveals something every time we interview a person who maybe doesn't really follow Christ. But they have to have that moment when they sit in front of us and we ask the tough questions like okay, tell us about your faith story. And I love that part where it's kind of jarring to them Like oh, I just came on here to talk about my album and I'm like no, you didn't, that's what you thought.

Speaker 2: 8:19

In that vein. Tell me how you came to Christ, how you went from doing your secular thing being that girl and decided hey, I got to change this around. Tell me what that was like for you.

Speaker 1: 8:33

Man, ooh, that's just me asking the Holy Ghost what I need to say right now.

Speaker 2: 8:38

Talk to him.

Speaker 1: 8:39

So obviously, back in the day when you had a church, there was this thing where they used to set out chairs. So I took the chair at age five, right back in the day, when you had a church, there was this thing where they used to set out chairs. So I took the chair at age five, right, because I saw my cousin Candace get up to go give her life to Christ and I'm like, well, I'm not going to get left behind. You know, they haven't even made that movie yet, but I know you ain't leaving me. Okay, if Jesus is over there, I'm going over there. Okay, not stupid at all.

Speaker 1: 8:59

And of course, you grow up on your grandmother's faith, your mom's faith, your dad's faith. You know, you just borrow faith until you really have that moment where you know Jesus is like, hey, I'm talking to you, you know, but I had a moment in my life of really being stuck out there. You know, I was in a homosexual relationship, like actually living with a girl and my son because I've been divorced. I had like a four year old no, he was three at the time and I was just mad at God because I'm like man, god, I'm making all these choices and decisions.

Speaker 1: 9:27

You said you was with me, you know, and I had a little cross hanging from my mirror in the car and I was going to take my son for the summer. Because that's what we do as blacks we drop our kids off. I said, mama, I'm bringing them to you. But I just remember getting in the car and it was a cross and I was so angry, you know, I hit the cross. I'm like man, you're just not there for me, you know, like what is going on, my life was falling apart, and so when I came back home, there was a guy named Ifani and I lived in a Projects in Lawrenceville, you know, and he knocked on my door. Lawrenceville got Projects. Oh yeah, the new girl $2.85 a month, don't play, okay, Two bedroom. I loved every minute of it.

Speaker 2: 10:07

I was like thank you God?

Speaker 1: 10:09

Yeah. But he finally knocked on the door they were doing some outreach and he says, sister, are you saved? Well, I was like yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:15

I'm saved.

Speaker 1: 10:16

I'm all like indignant yeah, I'm saved, don't? I look like I'm saved in here with this girl and he was just like well, come to my church, you know, you and you, you and the girl, come to my church, bring a son, you know. And we went to christopher bianchi's church, um, and it was life-changing. You know I'm saying like I didn't get turned away. I already been rejected at two churches. Two churches uh, you know, victory. Both of them I've had a situation at. But, um, long story short, that was the first church that invited me in and really was like let me tell you about Jesus, let me tell you how much he really loves you. I know you grew up on your family's faith. You know you've done the secular music thing. You know you've done the you failed marriage divorce thing. You know you're out here with your alternative relationship thing. Like you try everything, everything, but what you need to try is Jesus. And um, that was the beginning of it. And then I had two car accidents trying to get your attention hard yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:15

and then the. And then the last one. He said give your life to me, you know, but in the accident before that, the actual, the young lady that I was with, she, she got hit by an 18-wheeler. And it was funny because I was actually following her, which is unimaginable. And so you're just watching the fire department cut her out of the car and I don't even know if she's dead or alive, and in that moment I kind of lost it right.

Speaker 1: 11:39

And the police, they're dragging me to the side of the road. I call my ex-husband to come and, you know, get me, because I can't drive. They're taking her to the hospital and I'm in the waiting room, I'm sitting with my ex-husband, and this is a crazy story. But long story short, she broke one finger and it was her ring finger, and the lady that was taking care of my son for me her name was nanny, bless her heart, sweetheart. She said man, god is trying to tell you you need to get out of that relationship, you know. And I was like, yeah whatever whatever and honest to god.

Speaker 1: 12:14

Like I heard god. He kept showing me different things. I kept on living my life just rebelling, because I'm like no, you know, I'm gonna do all the things I want to do. And true story, like he literally said give your life to me. You know, like when I'm sitting in the car I heard him in the back seat and it stayed with me for a while. But I end up turning my life around but it I mean, there's so much, there's so much in there and so many different things happen. But the one thing God has always done is he's loved me by showing me big signs Like, and I'm just, I'm hardheaded, I guess.

Speaker 1: 12:47

He know he don't have money to show he's like I need a pillow, a fire and a rainbow and like he, just like she just don't. Yeah, yeah, I'm out here turning cars upside down because she don't listen, you know, and it is what it is. But you know we can get into a longer, long or shorter that. But just having some of the same things happen over and over and really getting pushed to the edge of like man, god, I'm gonna kill myself out here, I'm gonna OD out here, I'm gonna whatever out here, let me just try it your way.

Speaker 1: 13:14

So shout out to um pastor Benny Foster now faith, they were a street ministry that you know got my little thug self together and we can and you can chop all that up. But uh, you know, and then they took me. Shout out to first missionary baptist church, atlanta, bishop cl cardi, that's my bishop. And now faith was a street ministry. That you know was covered under bishop. And you know I'm saying that's the importance of these bigger churches having people in the street so they come and get people like me off the street. So you know we can fill in the blanks later on that coloring book.

Speaker 2: 13:49

But I love that. I love that you give honor one to to the house. Yeah, for sure you know and also understand the importance of going to the people, because that's what Jesus did. Oh, yeah, jesus did. He didn't sit up in some tower somewhere are? Are we sure you know he was allowed to be touched. You know what I mean he was allowed to like, when you think about the beauty of Jesus's relationship, not just with his 12, but with the people With the plus 200.

Speaker 2: 14:21

Yeah, there are so many instances where Jesus allows himself to be interrupted. He was very interruptible. He allows himself to be touched by the unclean. He allowed himself to be questioned and spoke like he went back and forth with people and it shows me a lot of times his humanity. I was talking to a friend the other day and telling her how I realized that because of the comfort of my life right now, I don't have a whole lot of friends who aren't saved. This is the first time in my life that I could say that. I think it's because one I work for a church, so I don't go to a job.

Speaker 1: 15:03

You know what I mean. So I work for a church, so I don't go to a job.

Speaker 2: 15:04

You know what I mean. So I work for a church. So people who visit, if they are coming, they usually want to study the Bible and they usually become Christians pretty quickly. You know, when we study the Bible and I realized when I was younger, especially when I was in New York City and I was doing open mics and performing and you know all the stuff that we do I was always having a visitor with me at church because I was always around people who were searching.

Speaker 2: 15:26

And I have, to my shame, kind of put myself in a position where I'm not doing as much natural outreach. I'm just when people bring come to church or when people bring their friends to church, I kind of meet them and I'm the minister and I help them. And you know, and I said I got to work on that because Jesus ate with the tax collectors. He went to the unsaved, he went to the unchurched, he didn't wait for them to come to him and so even what you're saying right now, you even know, but you're convicted me as a person who kind of does macro church, that I need to do micro church too.

Speaker 1: 16:00

You know it's important. So no, you're welcome, but that can look different. You know what I mean. For sure, um I I have never let go of my sinful friends.

Speaker 1: 16:08

I've never let go of my gothic friends, my gay friend. I ain't let go of nobody, and I think that's something that people who come to Christ or end up getting involved in church or you're busy in ministry I think people do that. Yeah, and I don't like if you, you can go on all my Facebook's, instagram, whatever the page is and is, and it's just the multiverse for real, like it's some of everything. And I think, if you and I don't think this is your situation, but this has been my, my, my experience is, if you continue to love the people that you run across every day, you'll always have simple people in your life or people that aren't Christians in your life, and sometimes you need to go after simple people Like.

Speaker 1: 16:48

This is a huge issue for me when it comes to being a minister one, but definitely you know doing what we do. I'm like we are called to the lost. You know what I'm saying, so I don't even want church folk get on my nerves sometimes, like, honest to God, god, like I have a, I have a small bandwidth for speaking christianese with you for a few hours, because I'm like, if it's not and not unless we're, you know, edifying each other, we're building each other up or we're studying and things like that. I'm just saying like, if we're together and we're chilling on a day and we have nothing to do, let's go to the park and find some people to talk to, let let's go to the coffee shop. Like I think the intentionality is gone. And earlier what I wanted to say to you about when you were talking about community and how it's coming back, I agree, but I think it went away due to selfishness. Oh yeah, self-preservation, I'm not in my word, so I can't go serve. I can't go, minister, if I don't know. No Romans, nothing.

Speaker 2: 17:42

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 17:43

It's like, yeah, so it's kind of like, let me just do the Netflix and chill and let somebody else come save you. And to your point, I know for a fact you and I, we're called to a certain amount of people and that's one of the things that really drives me every day. It's like, yeah, somebody needs your story, somebody needs to hear, not from your husband, not from the pastor, because it's only one of you. It's only one experience on this earth that is you, and so there are people waiting on you. So while you're at home, you know, twiddling your thumbs and saying I get to it, I'm too tired, okay, and that person maybe they've jumped off a bridge right now.

Speaker 1: 18:26

And so it's like, when we accept the call and we know where to, how will they know if we don't go? We need to be going every day, and it doesn't have to be like this physical goal, but it can be. I get on YouTube and I just see people in the chat and now, hey, god bless you. How can I pray for you? Yeah, I'm over here. No, I'm just saying, but I'm over here on the Howard Stern podcast you know, because we're so groomed to stay in our comfort zone.

Speaker 1: 18:45

But, like you were talking about Christ, he was always uncomfortable in an uncomfortable space with uncomfortable stuff happening, you know. So it's like we have to change our perspective to be more Christ-like. And the crazy part is people are like you need to be more Christ-like and people think well, that means my posture, that means my conversation, that means what I got on right now. No, no, you need to do what he did.

Speaker 2: 19:06

Let's, let's start right there and that's called go outside like right like yeah, how did you go outside?

Speaker 1: 19:11

yes, down the street, yes to the well, yes deuces, go to the party, stop being so closed off. You know, as they say you're.

Speaker 2: 19:18

So, uh, what highly minded you're no earthly good, because you just yeah, you're so saved now okay yeah, that's not what our salvation should be based.

Speaker 1: 19:28

I got mine, you get yours. It's like well, you can just just fall dead and die now, because, because what use are you to?

Speaker 2: 19:34

yeah, what are we talking about? I've been really convicted about this as well, because I'm a person. I study my bible. I'm really um, I love talking about the things of god yeah, but. I'm not. I don't speak Christianese, I'm very.

Speaker 1: 19:47

I mean, you've been talking, you know I was not doing it, I know, but I'm saying like you know how, you know I talk regular and that's something that people say to me like I just love how you are.

Speaker 2: 19:57

But I really realized that when I was a younger Christian, and just younger as a person I would go when I was in college, I'd be on campus, I would invite a hundred people in a day to our Bible study on campus. Easy, yeah, you know what I mean. And I think now, obviously I do the internet. I do a lot of evangelism online. I talk to people about God all the time, but I'm convicted that I do need to do the physical coffee shop, go outside. You know, I'm a person where, like if I'm at a restaurant, I always tell my waitress hey, we're about to pray for the food. Is there anything we can pray for you for? That's good, you know, if I have a person, I'm checking out, but to me not that that doesn't count. It counts, but that has become routine for me. Okay, I need to myself out right now, but in general, you're not the only one.

Speaker 2: 20:50

You know what I'm saying like we, we do struggle as a faith, yeah, with stepping outside and actually being like Jesus and speaking to the people that Jesus would have been speaking to, because he would have been in some very different spaces, that we, the church, would have been judging him for, just like they did in the bible, you know. And so we do have to, we do got to work on it, it's just. It's just the truth. Um, I'm gonna go on because I feel like we can preach.

Speaker 2: 21:13

I'm good, this is good I'm like, yeah, listen I'm what I came for if I'm convicted I'm convicted, I ain't gonna act like. You know what I mean. I like to let people know what you just said, so I love that I'm convicted, I ain't gonna act like okay.

Speaker 1: 21:25

I mean, I like to let people know what you just said.

Speaker 2: 21:26

I love that. I'm gonna talk about okay seasons of life that you've experienced in your career, right, because I feel like we're in a season now where there can be more than one woman.

Speaker 1: 21:38

That there was a time where it couldn't be more than one right.

Speaker 2: 21:41

I feel like we're in a season now where women's voices in CHH, but in the kingdom at large, are being championed, encouraged. We just saw Bishop Jakes, you know give his church to his daughter, really. I mean to his daughter and her husband, but really to his daughter. Yeah for sure. You know which I love Tori Roberts, we love Tori Shout out to Pastor Tori, you know what?

Speaker 1: 22:05

okay, um, which I love tori, we love tori you know what I mean. We love definitely. I know what you call my life, but he gave the church to sarah, you know and tori.

Speaker 2: 22:11

That's a big deal, you know, I mean. And so why is it you? We gonna get there? Yeah, we know why because patriarchy. But you have been, I feel, at the forefront of women's voices in CHH media and then, by extension, in CHH, winning a stellar award for the show that you co-host. You know being a part of an integral part of holy culture. Yeah, and its place on Sirius XM being the first of its kind. Does that feel like pressure? Do you feel pressure of that at all?

Speaker 1: 22:48

I've never felt pressure, but I've always known I belong. You know, my parents have always said you know, we would never be surprised of anything that you did, because there are no limits. I'm like hey, I'm 17. I want to go to Europe.

Speaker 2: 23:01

They're like okay go get your passport.

Speaker 1: 23:06

You know like I wanna go to Europe. They're like, okay, go get your passport, but I wanna circle back to something. And this is the narrative I know we have to change. I truly don't believe that it's always been women didn't have a place. I really am at the point now where I'm like women have to own it, like I think that's been the challenge. And here's the statistics. Statistic 60% of churches are full of women. Like women are the ones that get the family up and go, women are the ones who are serving the most at the church, like we're leading out in faith.

Speaker 1: 23:35

So why, when we switched to CHH, did that not equate? It's like I think women had to have an awakening and say, oh, I can do that. Oh, I will learn how to mix, I will learn how to master, I will learn how to set up my business. Yeah, I will ask for the spot, I will set up my own show. And the only reason why I say that we have a great example now with the WNBA, like, hello, this, this didn't happen overnight. Yeah, oh, now. Now all these women are being supportive. No, women would always be supported. But women have to command the support and demand the support and say guess what? The same way that you're supporting, supporting the guys, support the women and every church across the world. If they don't have a women's ministry right now, something is absolutely wrong. Like women are not just the bread and butter and the last thing God made, you know, put the cherry on top.

Speaker 1: 24:20

OK, and nobody comes to the planet except through women and God obviously trusts us to be the first teacher for every human on this planet for the first 40 weeks. I didn't make that up, god did so. Obviously our value has always been there in the eyes of God and in the eyes of Christ, but it's like but we have to know that and we have to start. As women, we have to start reminding each other about our value and who we are in Christ and how Christ made us. Now do we honor our husbands? Of course, yeah, babe, you my covering. I love it, because when I screw up I'd be like.

Speaker 1: 24:51

Jesus, I ate the apple. Blame the husband. You, I ate apple, blame the husband. You know, like, whatever I love the covering.

Speaker 1: 25:00

However, we have to know we have to work together and we can never expect a man to give us a spot that we're not willing to go and work for ourselves, and I think that's been the divide. And but I think women are finally seeing examples like you, you know myself, yes, definitely all of our sisters in CHS they're like well, wait a minute, I can make my own. Wait a minute, I can start my own production company. I can, yes, you can. Yes, you can, and you've, you've, always been able to do it.

Speaker 1: 25:24

But I just think, collectively now the ladies are leading out and they are changing the game, and I'm I'm beyond proud every time I see one of us doing anything, because I'm like yeah, the young ladies, the young kids coming up, they need to see women in roles where they're like dang, I can do that too. Yeah, I can do that too. Yeah, yes, you can do that too. So now I put the blame back on us, you know, like as having a voice, because women, we haven't had a voice, but I think now we're like, I do have a voice turns out, you know, but I have to use my voice to get me to where I want to be, and that's very biblical Right Power of what Life and death is in the tongue. So if I shut up, I ain't gonna have none, yeah, yeah. But when I'm like Lord, take the wallet, yes, please Go get a microphone, like like, ok, I love you, I see, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:14

Yeah yeah, yeah, so we're changing the game.

Speaker 2: 26:17

I didn't think about it like that. I can see that. I can see that we got to own this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What would you say to the labels? Right, because I do feel like labels now granted?

Speaker 1: 26:28

there's a statistic here right. What's that?

Speaker 2: 26:31

There are more women on the planet than men, right, yeah, but men seem to get more of everything than women, right? So, like, a label will sign more men than women, because and this is what I've been told, this directly because men are easier, right, when you sign a female artist, you got to pay for hair, you got to pay for makeup wardrobe, but women make more money.

Speaker 1: 26:58

That's why we have strip clubs, that's why we have pornography.

Speaker 2: 27:00

that's true yeah, okay, we're gonna bring the money. That's why we yeah, that's why we have kidnapping that's why we have sex. Yeah, it's true, we have it. Why?

Speaker 1: 27:07

it's true, it ain't for the men, I'm sorry, I mean some men get caught up in it. No, no disrespect, yeah, but it's like we have we.

Speaker 2: 27:14

We recognize our power when we want to yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:17

And then in the other end, we're, we're intimidated and I'll be honest with you, like, acting like that, we don't have that spirit. So what are we talking about? Yeah, and it's like I just think there's a way to definitely keep your Proverbs 31. But you also got to handle your business, and that was the area I had to learn about early on and I had to ask who, men, how do you do this? Show me that. Where's the paperwork? How do I download it? How do I register it? And it's like, once I got it, I was like but guess what? This is a problem for women a lot of times. When do you go and show the next woman?

Speaker 2: 27:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:49

Oh, stop gatekeeping. Like how did you do that thing? I hate it.

Speaker 2: 28:04

So I'm like, yeah, we that's yeah, that's why I said we have to start owning, yeah, our development, you know, as women, and our sisterhood. I do, I agree, but I disagree a little bit. I'm gonna tell you why I disagree. I feel like there are conversations that I've had to have with men who I love very much about ways that their behavior was sexist, that they didn't realize, and I think the reason I agree is because we have been complicit in our own um, what's the word? I'm looking for discrimination like against us.

Speaker 2: 28:29

Okay, I feel the same way about black us as black people sometimes we can be complicit okay, but it's not all on us, because there are definitely things, yeah, that try to keep us in our place and we really do have to fight very hard. So you are someone who I feel like and I feel this way about myself too men respect us. Yeah, when we come in a room, it's not, they don't try to little girl us, so I use that power. Yeah, yeah, good luck. Okay, right, there's only one person on earth with a little girl me. Okay, the little girl and is welcome okay in that circumstance.

Speaker 2: 29:08

Yes, I'm on my way right. So I try to use that, those relationships and that respect, that mutual respect that I feel for most men in my life, as a way to speak up when I see them doing something that they may not even realize they're doing, because our brothers, they got good hearts, they love us, yeah, but there's some patriarchal stuff that be happening. So what would you say to that man? Right, because you didn't spoke to the sisters and told us get your act together, okay, figure it out. Yeah, and I agree with everything you said there.

Speaker 2: 29:36

But what would you say to the brother?

Speaker 1: 29:38

lovingly brother, bro, get it, you know well, it would depend on if I need him. You know, I think sometimes we got to be led of the lord right. So it's like do I need you? She's like do I even need to talk to you? Are you a part of the god-given vision? Because I think, as women, sometimes we can be very controlling, okay, so we're trying to control a narrative or or insert ourselves.

Speaker 1: 29:58

This is me, I'll be honest, and I. The only reason why I'm saying this is because I've done this, because women will see something that they can either make better or be a part of. And now, okay, I'm over here and now I want you to adjust. Yeah, but it's like be led in the things you're doing. I think it's okay to call people out, it's okay to call people up, especially if they're of the faith, but here's the deal Handle your business when you do it. On this day, you called me this. One, I don't like it. Two, I'm going to ask you to stop doing that. And three, I'm going to make sure I tie in your other brother so that he knows that this is it Now.

Speaker 1: 30:32

Here's the deal. If this happens again, a couple things are going to happen. You know what I'm saying. Like either I'm going to bring in another brother. We got to follow the Bible protocol with a lot of this.

Speaker 1: 30:41

But guess what? There are some times where you offend me because I am not supposed to be here, and that's what I'm saying, like if God ain't open that door, I'm just saying, if God has opened that door, I don't want it. And if that's not my role because I'll be honest with you, when you're led of, when God sends you and it's yours, it just goes it goes.

Speaker 1: 31:03

I've experienced okay, so that's why I'm like and but here's the deal. I want to be honest with you about men. They're built different. Yeah, talk to me, and I'm not mad at a man that loves women. Oh, yeah, okay, and I get that women are beautiful and I think we do give men kind of a hard time sometimes. We do, you know. Real talk. I have three boys and I bounce with you, I push them. Mom, she's so a she kill. You want me what. You want to buy her something like I'm in it, yeah, I'm. You know I'm not pushing them to be narcissistic, yeah, but I am like okay, you know I'm saying like they're just different, they're a different breed and they love a beautiful woman or women. Period, yeah, I mean a real man just love women like. They're like hey, it's a lady in here and I'm trying to holler and I love it when a man shoots his shot. That is like rule number one, I think, in manhood if you see something you like. But I do think there are guidelines when it comes to business.

Speaker 2: 31:54

Yeah, and when comes to ministry.

Speaker 1: 31:56

And so that's why I'm saying we talk and this is funny, because Focus and I talk about this all the time he's like yeah, shout out to DJ Focus, shout out to Focus, shout out to Focus.

Speaker 1: 32:05

But I talk to Focus about this all the time and even in his mind he's like yeah, you know some of these guys. I talk to my guy friends whoop-de-whoop, and I said my grandmother told me something when I was like five a woman can run faster with a skirt up than a man with his pants down, but but what happens is, yeah, this is my prophetic grandmother. Rest in peace, bernice. But we often blame the man, but we never. Yeah, it takes two. So the women need to be corrected as well. Yeah, so there are some behaviors that have been tolerated by some of our sisters and when you know they flirty, flirty like that, that's on us. That's all I'm trying to say is like it's a season for us to say I hear you, but you just walked by my husband and you rubbed up against him and I did not appreciate that. We were at church too, by the way.

Speaker 1: 32:55

I did not appreciate that we were at church too, by the way, mercy. But I'm just saying. I'm talking about as a society.

Speaker 1: 33:00

we let some things slide for females and we let some things slide for males, but I think in the body of Christ it has to be hey, no, this is not what we're going to do. We're going to handle business in here If we've got a record label, we're handling business If're serving. You know, if you're in a green room, if we got a visiting pastor, we, it's the same. So we, we can get better at that. That's all I'm trying to say. But yeah, no, as girls.

Speaker 1: 33:24

I'm not playing with the women this year. I'm like, hey, we go, yeah, and if it ain't working, if they don't want us we'll go start our own.

Speaker 2: 33:30

I really loved that answer I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 33:34

I love the the.

Speaker 2: 33:35

It depends if I need them that one and because that's real god, sometimes we waste time explaining ourselves or trying to get somebody on board. Yeah, and they. They have nothing to do with our legacy, they have nothing to do with our anointing you. You we're gonna talk off camera, but that spoke to me. I'm just saying, and not even in the business sense, just that's what. Like you, that's from a relationship with that boy.

Speaker 2: 34:00

I just loved it. I feel like this is about me. Y'all just getting it First of all. We way off track Y'all just getting the benefits of Dice giving, telling me about my life. I'm here with you, liz, listen, you call yourself the auntie of CHH a lot. Yeah, auntie, you don't look like nobody's auntie but God bless you.

Speaker 1: 34:23

Shout out to all my nieces and nephews.

Speaker 2: 34:24

Let me tell you I got three sisters it shows that you take care of your vessel. Thank you that you want to be here I do you know and that you want to be the best mom of those four yeah, you know. I do that to the one that's coming, so I want to talk a little bit about dice the mom. Yeah, you talked about how you had someone of an absent mom. I did, but you had your grandma, you had your auntie, thank God. Yeah, you had a praying grandmother, thank.

Speaker 2: 34:56

God for that, okay, and also, it sounds like a real advice given I did, keeping it real grandma I did. Yeah, how did those relationships, even the one with your mom, play into dice? The mother?

Speaker 1: 35:08

I think not having my mother there was, uh, one of the things that led me to go look for love in a lot of other places. So I'm kind of grateful we didn't have a relationship, or you and I probably wouldn't be having this conversation, and it's just like God uses it all, you know, and but we have to get to the point in life where we take the emotion out of things and just deal with the situation. This happened. Now, what's my reaction? Yeah, and so my mom kind of taught that, like okay, but I I was no nonsense like okay, if I don't have a mom, I'm going to go find me some more. So I found me more women who could pour into me, because I knew I'm like, I'm a girl, I need women to be around me, you know.

Speaker 1: 35:44

But at one point I was really falling for that trick of the devil. Like you know, this is why I can't trust women, because I've been left behind. You know what I mean. I've been thrown away own way. She didn't want me, she wanted a boy. Like you know, the enemy plays all these tricks on you.

Speaker 1: 36:09

But, um, I would say me as a mom. I'm an amazing mother like that. Now here's the deal. I'm a very strict mother when it comes to, hey, let's, let's do what we're supposed to do now. But, um, I like to have a lot of fun with my kids and be absolutely honest, I love all of our children communicate.

Speaker 1: 36:18

You know, they're all in their 20s now and they don't mind calling you for the problem or they'll say, hey, I gave somebody advice, you gave me. But I have had the best time raising children. And, yes, we are definitely excited for the new poo on the way. We got a little man on the way, so you already know he'll be in the studio. He, the new pool on the way. We got a little man on the way, so you already know he'll be in the studio, he'll be at the fix on the microphone. But I think, getting the opportunity to and I just want you to know, like three of those aren't mine I had one, uh, when I married my now husband and he had three, so, and we had young kids ages four to seven and yeah, so you did the blended family thing as well.

Speaker 1: 36:55

Well, yeah, you know like he had a marriage that you know it was. It was tough and we ended up getting the kids so like me not having that love. Yeah, god just flipped that thing and was like now you have three children who identify with you. Now you know what to do. So a lot of people this is what I'm saying like how God uses situations like you can't get stuck on the hurt you have to be like God.

Speaker 1: 37:18

I know you're going to use this, okay, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna put it in my memory, but I'm not going to be, you know, down to it, locked in the unforgiveness prison concerning this, because I know you're going to bring it back. So that's why I'm like my parents I mean my kids end up getting like one of the greatest parents ever, because they're like not only does she know how to parent because she had her own, but she knows the love that I need from not having that from absentee.

Speaker 2: 37:40

Absolutely, absolutely so so it's been a it's been a beautiful journey speak to being a bonus mom, step parent, however you want to title it. It's the best thing let me tell you, I think this is such a special role that God allows people to have and I think that a lot of times, when things like Mother's Day come up and stuff, sometimes women who don't, who haven't been able to give birth physically or haven't been able to give birth physically yet because we believe in everybody who's believing that for their lives.

Speaker 2: 38:10

If that is God's will, you know they can feel slighted.

Speaker 1: 38:14

I talk about this. I talk about this a lot. Shout out to my girlfriend, kina. I have a lot of women in my life who they've never had children. But I think that you get to do other things. You know what I'm saying. You get to mother in other ways. Your business, a child who is at the Boys and Girls Club, mentoring yeah, like I said, just adults. You know what I'm saying. Like let's, let's keep it a thousand. But if you try to put God in a box like no God, you were going to give me love that way that's disrespectful.

Speaker 1: 38:44

Now, God, god, can give you whatever kind of baby he wants to give you for you to nurture, for you to care for, for you to raise, for you to hey send it on its way, yeah, but it's like we get stuck on the. I want it to look like this, yeah, and I think that's where a lot of hurt and pain can come in. You know, a lot of shame and guilt. You got the enemy in your, in your ear, like, see, you can't even do it, and it's like everybody's journey is different. Yeah, you know you are not to do the same thing.

Speaker 1: 39:09

Your sister, auntie, mama, yes, but who makes that stuff up? We do so. It's like that's why we have to know I'm loved, I'm wanted, I'm needed. God made me on purpose, for his, for his reason, not my reason, yep. So I think we can see a lot of images in the world and on the internet and on TV, or see your neighbor and you're like dang, I really want that. But it's like I think the conversation really have for me like I'm excited for the thing, I'm count this all joy and I'm excited. I'm gonna rejoice with them for their blessing, yeah, but, god, now I'm even more excited because the way you bless them. I know you're gonna bless me too, like because you love us all.

Speaker 2: 39:43

Yeah, so it's like I don't want to be stuck.

Speaker 1: 39:45

I don't want to I don't want to cut. I'm gonna tell you this because my husband and I, we just we just bought our house in 2020, but before that and our house is beautiful, it's beautiful. I ain't even going to play no games with you with the crown mold and the plantation blinds. Let's go.

Speaker 2: 40:01

But long story short.

Speaker 1: 40:02

I remember before we had a home and we were sleeping on the floor my mom's, because when we got married my husband has lost his job for 10 months. So now we got four kids, no money and we living in my mama's. This is not the will of the Lord, but it was.

Speaker 2: 40:19

We slept on that floor for about a year and a half, and I mean on the floor, not a bed. And this is your palate, my mama okay okay, was not even grooving. We don't even got time to get to hit that wow and I was praying to god.

Speaker 1: 40:29

I said man, god, I want a house like this. I want a house like this. I'm praying, I'm believing god. You know, I'm sweating, I'm in the spirit, I'm like, I'm just, you know you're in a secret place. I'm in it and he stopped me mid prayer and said but what do I want to give you? Like you're literally, like you're counting it.

Speaker 1: 40:49

You're just out here counting it and he said I might want to give you more and you know what, but we needed to have that moment. Because that's what I'm saying, like in churches, we need to talk about this a little bit more, like, yes, we can pray and believe, yeah, but I'm believing God for my stuff.

Speaker 2: 41:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:06

I say all the time on the show I don't want your stuff, I want my stuff. God, like I ain't missing. No blessings I'm giving, I'm sowing, I'm praying, I'm going. Okay, sorry, I know we off track. No, it's fine, this is good.

Speaker 2: 41:20

I'm telling you you're just discipling me. No, you're fine, and the cameras are just here and I love that for me. I love that for me. I love that for me. I'm like that ain't what I. That's not what I see. What you just said convicted me, Cause like what, if I want to give you more you?

Speaker 1: 41:44

know I have this vision. Your house could be down the street, but you just stuck. It's like hey, come on, I'm about to run Literally. I don't want to move, you don't know you, you speaking prophetically, come on, now we'll talk, let's go, yeah, yeah, but no, I'm learning a lot and this is why it's so important for us to be around women of faith who have been through some stuff.

Speaker 2: 42:13

Right, I've only been married. You've been married 16 years.

Speaker 1: 42:15

I'm only married that's my second marriage it might be my third we're gonna talk, but we, we've been married a year and a half. I love that, and it's been beautiful and we're learning a lot, but god has given us, like.

Speaker 2: 42:29

I started my podcast a year ago. So god has elevated us very quickly, quick, which happened with my music as well at first. Right, like God does that with me, he's like all right, once you apply yourself, I got you. Now, if you stay consistent, I might keep having you, because that was my issue with music Consistency. So I think for me it's a matter of really understanding that he and I literally I texted my husband. I will show you the text later. I got to tell you what I learned in my quiet time this morning and it was this I'm telling you now, babe. I was reading Jeremiah 29, 11.

Speaker 1: 43:04

We all know Jeremiah 29, 11.

Speaker 2: 43:07

God said to me I am a planner. Turns out I'm a planner, I got it. Yeah, you know he has plans. My husband'm a planner, I got it. Yeah, you know he has plans, approximately not talking about. My husband is a planner.

Speaker 2: 43:23

Okay, so whenever he says we're doing, I don't even think about it because I know he's a plan. He has a plan and, duh, it convicted me. Because what you think you worried about what you think you, what you, what you, what you think. It convicted me so good, like I was, like bro I'm bugging. Yeah, because I've been, you know, wrestling with some things in my heart about our future and, just like god, what do you want us to do? What do you want us to be? And he's like I have a plan to prosper you it's, it's my prospering is not gonna be haphazard or just willy-nilly. I've planned this right, you know. I mean I knit you together in your mother's womb. All your days were counted before one of them came to be.

Speaker 2: 44:03

Who do you think you're talking to I'm talking about? He got me together real quick because, yeah, that doubt and that you know what, what I'm believing for and what I'm praying for. I've been praying for a certain thing. But also I've been praying for surrender. Come on now. And it convicted me because I'm like are you really praying for surrender? Are you just saying that because you think it's a good spiritual thing to say, wow, girl. I could keep going, but the truth of the matter is I need to remember, we need to remember that God is a planner. He's got it.

Speaker 1: 44:35

Yeah, he's a destroyer too. He's a destroyer of your plan. He's a destroyer of his plan. Like, he will build it and he will tear it down and he has washed that whole world. You know what I'm saying. Come on, shout out to Noah for building the ark, being smart enough to say hey God, okay, you mad, are you tired of this? Okay, you are you tired of this. Okay, you don't want to do this, no more, you gonna save me? Good, go ahead, let me, let me build my little vessel. And then you do what you do and then holler at me, you know, when it's some land, somewhere, you know, like true story.

Speaker 1: 45:05

I mean, I think, like I said, this is a season for people to realize that God is God, and you quoted eloquently Jeremiah. But I will say, yeah, I have plans to prosper you, but it doesn't mean the way you think. Like I want to prosper you, I want to get you right, your heart, your soul, your mind, your spirit, because you're designed for my purpose. So it's like, yeah, the things will come along with the journey, that is for sure. God is a good guy, you know. We're his children. He ain't gonna leave us begging for nothing, you know, and definitely not me, because I love you. I'm like, lord Jesus, let me use. I need my snacks now. Okay, I'm gonna be as fruity as you want me to be over here. I'm fruit. I am a fruit roller period. I am out here. I know you're not gonna leave me, but I think it's the giving God the freedom to do the God thing. You know, that's why we have the Holy Spirit you. That's why we definitely need to be in spirit and in truth.

Speaker 1: 45:59

Like we talk a lot, like the truth is I'm broke. The truth is I'm scared. The truth is I'm hurt. The truth is but yeah, but I need the spirit, I need the spirit side of it. The truth is I'm afraid. So what do it afraid? But we're so focused on details and I think we got to get back to letting God handle his business and I follow. Like you lead, I follow, you're my shepherd. So like, yeah, in the valley, wherever, you're still the shepherd. He didn't change and be like the cook in the middle of the valley. He's like, no, you are the shepherd period. And so it's. The whole body of Christ has to get to trust in more.

Speaker 1: 46:36

You know we have to learn to trust more and to let stuff go, and I think this world has taught us to cling to what we have. Yeah, but that's how we, god, can't give you nothing with your hands closed.

Speaker 2: 46:45

Yes, I'm saying like I need you to let it go now. Let it go. Let's go ahead. Come on, I got two more questions. You this what is your favorite thing about being a mother?

Speaker 1: 47:02

I think my favorite thing about being called a mother or being a mother is being called mom. You know like it's very softening, like I'm dice know don't get it twisted.

Speaker 2: 47:14

You know what?

Speaker 1: 47:15

I'm saying that's just you know but I think it brings you back to reality that people need leadership. You know what I mean and that's why I love being called auntie. That's why I love being called. I'd rather be called you know, Lola, because I don't want no grandma. You're gonna call me Lola, we're playing.

Speaker 1: 47:30

But I think women have so many hats. We're sisters, you know, we're moms, we're aunties, we can be wives. Like we have so many different hats and it's exciting for me to see like God designed me to be multiple different things and I just want to honor each one of those. And, like I said, I have a lot of women in my life that I call mom. They're not my mom, like my stepdad, I call him daddy. He ain't my daddy.

Speaker 1: 47:57

My parents ain't. My mom ain't married to him, no more. But it's like the relationship piece of the name, I think, is you know, and it just reminds me like man, god is creating moms out here. You know what I'm saying and it's an honor to have another name, you know. Like when you got married now your wife you didn't have that two years ago you wanted my wife.

Speaker 1: 48:15

You got a different level of respect. Now you got a different level of honor. Now you got a different level of accountability. Now you got a different level of responsibility. Like you get a front row seat to a man's vulnerability, you know you get a, you get to cover him before anybody. Like it's an honor when you, when you get that everybody don't get married girl, some people die.

Speaker 2: 48:35

Like oh, the one never came along. You know what I'm saying. I thought that was going to be me. The Lord came, he delivered.

Speaker 1: 48:41

I'm just saying it's the same feeling, you know, like I'm mom. Yeah, I am mom. How can mom help you? It put you in another place. Yeah, I am mom, so it's just a fun get to do, and so it's just a fun get to do and honestly, it's a blessing for women who have had abortions. I have.

Speaker 1: 48:58

But, God blessed me to be able to have my own and I actually had a really messed up ovaries. I literally just had the biggest five-pound tumor taken out. I almost posted on Instagram. I was like I can't do it, yeah, but it's like God allowed me to have a child through an insane situation. So I'm like, whatever I get to do, I'm excited that I get to do that and I didn't have to be a mom. You know I didn't want no kids, you know.

Speaker 2: 49:24

But he said, you know I was like so I planned, and he laughed. Our stories are very similar. I'm praying that God allows me to be a mom one day.

Speaker 1: 49:32

You can be my mom tomorrow. I will call you. I'll be like Mom, because I'm stressed out enough.

Speaker 2: 49:40

I just need to talk to you. I'll give you my mom's number.

Speaker 1: 49:43

She got enough mother in her for me and my siblings and everybody else. You need it. My mom's a great mom. I love that.

Speaker 1: 49:49

By the time y'all see this y'all will have seen the episode me and my mom. That gets a hair for listen. I'm gonna tell you this piece right now and spend more time with your mom. And so I've just taken in my mom. Um, she did not live with us, she had to come live with us. Um, let's see, she moved in in December.

Speaker 1: 50:05

Uh, she's in stage five dementia. And it's so funny. This is how God laughs, right? So you and I I just talked about not having a good relationship with my mom. Like love her, but we've never had a close relationship. She doesn't know my favorite color, she don't know my favorite food, none of that, right? We don't have pictures of us going anywhere together.

Speaker 1: 50:24

Um, and then she gets dementia and she's in my home every day and it's insane that I repeat myself. I have to tell her things, and the only thing I wanted when she came to my house was to tell her about herself. I was like I ain't saved all the way. Today. I really won't let her know. Like you, I can't believe that, and it's insane.

Speaker 1: 50:43

Let me tell you how to enemy. He works, right? So I had to move all of her things in. I got a safe and my father wrote her when I was, I had to be like maybe two or three and he's my father's a pastor, you know.

Speaker 1: 51:01

He's explaining how he's frustrated with her because she doesn't want to spend time with me, how she cusses at me and calls me little this and names and things like that and he's just really crying out to her like you know, when we're there, can you at least act like pretty much like you love her. And it was so crazy how the enemy kept that letter. He let her keep that letter until she moved in to my house where I am forced to take care of her because she had no plan and I'm her only child. And I sat there one day and I said, wow, wow, I already knew it was like that, but thank you for the confirmation that it's like that. But I had wanted to just tell her about herself. But the crazy part about the is I could tell her and she forgets. I was like God said nope.

Speaker 1: 51:50

I was like wow wow, yeah, and so now I just get to love her every day. She asked me the same questions and I'm like, hey, you're on vacation. Hey, mom, how are you? I love you, you know, and I thank God for dementia, because now I'm getting the love that I've always wanted. I don't want her to have it, but he's giving me these little bits of yeah, she did. She told me she was loving, she loved me for the first first time. I think I was 19, you know. Yeah, I didn't come from all that, but now you know we're building a different relationship and it's a beautiful thing. So now when I say, mom, I'm looking for her like, I'm looking for her like a child, because she acts like a child. Roles are kind of reversed, but it's just funny, how things will happen to you in life is my point, and it's like you don't know what God's going to do with it later.

Speaker 1: 52:36

So it's like, don't get stuck in the feelings of it but keep it moving. Yeah, but you were bringing up your mom, yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:43

And I will spend more time with her Spend more time with her.

Speaker 1: 52:46

She'll be happy to have someone else have told me that.

Speaker 2: 52:49

She'll see this, she watches every episode. Ask her, hey, ask her when was your first kiss? You know?

Speaker 1: 52:54

like when did you first?

Speaker 2: 52:55

use scissors? Ask her.

Speaker 1: 53:00

Yeah, like because honestly it may. I'm not saying it will for everybody, but for me now I'm like digging to grab on the little bits of her memories, and it's less about me being mad. I really have come. Thank you God, I've come to the. You know reconciliation point there, like you know what Life was lifing for her. You know reconciliation point there, like you know what Life was life, and for her, and and now. I get to take care of her, so I love the grace.

Speaker 2: 53:21

Yeah, and God is already rewarding, but we'll reward what?

Speaker 1: 53:24

you're doing. I want all my rewards.

Speaker 2: 53:26

Jesus, yeah, let me say this you are going to be I said this to you off camera, I'm gonna say it on camera you're gonna be the first, one of the first, if not the first, maybe Celeste Hamilton's mom, maybe, but you will be one of the first grandmas to be playing chh, to know everybody, so, so that grandbaby gonna be locked in and connected, period um. And to raise a grandchild in that world on a gospel that they can relate to, that in and of itself is legacy. So the last question that we ask at this show is, in the grand scheme of things, let's talk about you know, you know.

Speaker 2: 54:09

I'll let myself in, so in the grand scheme of things, what do you want your legacy to be?

Speaker 1: 54:15

I really want my legacy to be about Jesus and for me, gamble is my maiden name for those who don't know, you know and Dice became a nickname and a rapper name. And definitely before I gave my life to Christ, I was like should I keep my name? Should I let it go, or whatever? Talk to Danny over at Holy Hip Hophop records, because I had the deal in 2004, when it was a distribution deal through emr gospel. I asked him hey, do you think I should change my name? He said you need to go pray about it. You know, you know, went and prayed about it.

Speaker 1: 54:46

You know, the lord led me to luke chapter 23, the 31st verse, and it's the picture of christ on the cross, you know, in between two thieves, and the last thing thing that Jesus asked of his father, his father, forgive them. They know not what they do. And it immediately connected with me because it said and then the soldiers rolled dice and gambled for Christ's clothing. And it was literally this crazy connection, because at that point I wasn't in my word, like that, you know, but it was God showing me like your whole ministry, your whole life, has been about forgiveness. You, you forgiving quickly, you know, like, and I hadn't even put two and two together. That was my confirmation that, no, your name will be dice gamble also.

Speaker 1: 55:26

Everybody wants a piece of God, everybody wants a piece of Jesus. They just don't know how to get that thing. That's why we're called to go and be, you know, and definitely, yeah, roll the dice, give it christ. I mean, you could bet on the best outcome when it comes to christ, like you know, just just go for it. But long story short, that's what I want my legacy to be. Uh, my faith in jesus, definitely, yeah, uh, forgiveness and absolutely just loving you know.

Speaker 2: 55:52

Love that, love that yeah, y'all, this has been another episode. I'll just let myself in, let me tell you like I said, all throughout the episode I feel like dice was just discipling me and y'all got to see it. But I love that for us. I really do, because that is true sisterhood If you don't know how to find dice, gamble, tell the people where to find you. Y'all know how to find me, it's gonna be linked below.

Speaker 2: 56:18

But you know, that's for the clip, the fix. Yes, yeah, yeah. On social media, on social media yeah, dice gamble everywhere, everywhere.

Speaker 1: 56:23

You know y'all can email dice gamble at gmailcom. Uh, but like, yeah, every platform is dice gamble. And of course, the fix you need to be listening right money through friday.

Speaker 2: 56:32

Yes, listen to the fix everybody who y'all think is somebody is on the Fix. Thank, you God, okay, yeah, and so it's a beautiful space that they've created and a new studio just doing amazing things for the kingdom.

Speaker 1: 56:45

Thank God yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:46

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