Lish: 0:00

your relationship should be a mirror. Yes, I forgot who I heard say that. Yes, but it was like they should. It should show you a reflection of who you are. Yes, so it's either oh okay, that's a good trait about me, I should keep that going or what's that in my eye?

Meah: 0:14

Right, that ain't cute, that ain't cute.

Lish: 0:17

It's not cute. We're bad. I can cuss you out. You know what I'm saying Because, at the end of the day-.

Meah: 0:23

Hang up on you.

Lish: 0:24

Walk away from you. Lish you just don't make. I won't listen. How I treat you as a friend, even when I'm angry matters Because, at the end of the day, our goal is to be friends.

Meah: 0:33

Yes, you know, what I'm saying.

Lish: 0:34

So even seeing how I treat you when I'm angry, how I treat you when that should show you, you, yep.

Meah: 0:54

So it's important to be able to realize how your friendship should refine you in the best and worst way. Don't bring no drama my way. What's up, everybody? It's your girl. Lish Speaks and we are back with another episode of. I'll Just Let Myself End the podcast where we do not wait for an imaginary permission slip. We let ourselves into our God-given doors. Listen, this week I'm super excited. Now I know y'all be like. You say it. Every week I do be excited. It's my show.

Meah: 1:25

Somebody got to be excited. It's going to be me, but I'm super excited this week because, in honor of Women's History Month, I have a woman who I respect highly. She is a broadcaster, a producer, a co-host, an actress. She's going to wonder why I put that in there, but she was recently in somebody's music video, pretending to be free from 106 and park. An actress, a media personality, an inspirational speaker, a sister, a friend, a woman of god uh, you guys have been seeing her in the media for the past 12 years and god is continuing to elevate her career. She's someone who I look up to and I'm learning from, even from a distance. Everybody give it up for mia Evans, y'all y'all Lish is so legit.

Lish: 2:09

Oh my goodness, lish. Thank you for having me of course, listen.

Meah: 2:13

I had to put actress in there. I saw you, she said. I was like, who is she talking? She an actress?

Lish: 2:18

oh my goodness thank you for that intro. That was amazing. Thank you and put it on your resume.

Meah: 2:27

Honey, I do something one time.

Lish: 2:29

It's a part of what I do. It's a part of what I do.

Meah: 2:30

I did it I already did it, so it's not a part of what I do, it's already done.

Lish: 2:33

It's going to be right there After I'm putting them a little small for you.

Meah: 2:39

So I you can see we're going to have a good time today. But before we get into our interview with Mia, you guys know we have one of the best segments in podcasting. It's called what I'm Stepping In, and in this segment I share with you the sneakers that I have on for the episode. So today I'm stepping in a collab, a JW Anderson Converse collab. It's a glitter collab that he did in 2019. And I love Converse. This is the first pair of Converse that, um, I had in a while. I think Converse had a good run in the early 2000s and then in 2019, he came back and did this collab.

Meah: 3:14

I love anything colorful and glittery, as you know if you watch this show, and so I had to bring these back out for the show. So you know what we always say here and I'll just let myself in if, if you like them, go get you some. So, mia yes, ma'am First of all, as I was doing my research and kind of looking at your life and contribution to Christian hip-hop over a decade, I thought to myself this girl is no joke. Like to be doing what you were doing at 16 and now, elevated to where you are now it is really impressive and because it's you, maybe you don't see it.

Lish: 3:56

No, I don't. That's what's crazy.

Meah: 3:58

You said your contribution, I said what I do okay, so you have been on red carpets for award shows. You have interviewed on red carpets for award shows. Yes, you have interviewed some of the most prominent people, not just in Christian hip-hop but in the body of Christ Ministers, singers, church leaders. It really is impressive and I really that's just my life, truly. Oh wow, I got some of the names written down. We're going to go through them and I really that's my life, truly.

Lish: 4:25

Oh, wow, I got some of the names written down.

Meah: 4:26

We're going to go through them, okay, but as you know, I'm just getting into the media side of things from being an artist. You've been doing so well, thank you. Thank you very much. I just want you to know I'm truly inspired by what you're doing. Oh, I wish you were and it. It really gives me like, oh, I can do this. Like when people say representation is important, oh, so important. I'm looking at you. I'm like she's a brown girl, you know brown features. There's no ambiguity, you know it's not. It's not like she looks next. She's a brown girl black, black black, black.

Meah: 5:00

My skin is so black and I'm just like, okay, I can do this. I just want to say, before we even get into anything, thank you for your yes to God, because it truly is inspiring me and, on days when I have a little self-doubt, yeah, I can look at you and people like you and see, okay, no, I can do this. So thank you. Thank you for telling me that. That's sure For sure. Ok, so, speaking of you being in media for 12 years, you know, I know, that you and your sister are in radio broadcasting and have been since 2013. And a lot has changed, girl, in the landscape of just media since then. Tell us a little bit of the backstory of how M&M started and then how you've seen it change over the years.

Lish: 5:48

Okay so, um, I think this was my sister was a junior in high school and I was a freshman and we're we're driving home and I grew up. I grew up Christian. You know, I'm saying so like in the car my one praise one, oh two. That's the gospel station here in Atlanta that my mama was playing, you know what I'm saying At the time there was a prominent gospel song playing at the time on the radio, and so it was old school.

Lish: 6:13

you know what I'm saying. But you know, as a teenager at the time, me, my sister and I, my sister was like turn this off, can't we hear something else? But knowing like, I know, like the music I had in my phone, my mom, wasn't going to let that ride.

Meah: 6:26

You know what?

Lish: 6:26

I'm saying so. My sister was just. Like you know, my sister gets so passionate, so she was just saying, like you know, like what is this? Like I don't relate to this. Like what does this even mean? Like you know, the message was there, but like the music was like something similar to the things that we listen to, like on mainstream radio she was like yeah, we should do that.

Lish: 6:53

And I was just like okay like I'm not, you know, I didn't think anything of it. I'm just thinking like no, sometimes my sister and I, we can get dreaming, but like in a blessing in an imaginative sense, but she was for real because when we got home she took out our tablet Like what would our show be called? What would the tagline be, what would our segments be? And I was kind of like I'm just going to do this out of fun.

Meah: 7:14

So we just kind of like went back and forth.

Lish: 7:15

But the more we went back and forth, the more passion we got with it. So we told our mom we were like you know, we have this idea. We're going to call it Eminem Live Radio. Like what do you think? And she was like I don't know anything about radio.

Lish: 7:28

I don't know why you're bringing this to me, but you know, write the vision, make a plan and we'll just see where it goes, Come on mama A year later, mind you, the only person we ever told about Eminem Live Radio was our mom. Out of nowhere, at the church we went to at the time, someone comes up to my mom and says hey, how you doing, good morning sister. Hey, I know a guy who owns a radio station and he was looking for some shows to go on the air. Here's the card of the general manager of the radio station. If you know anyone who's looking to be on the radio, here's their card. You can call him.

Lish: 7:57

And my mom was like that was so random. I we get in the car, we ask how church was. Hey, this guy gave me this card about this guy who's having a radio station. I don't know why he gave this to me and my sister and I look at each other. We're like Ma, that's it, like this is an opportunity. So long story short. September 22nd of 2013 was our very first show.

Lish: 8:16

It was on this station called 1570 AM, wigo it was a prominent station in Atlanta that a lot of big wigs and radio kind of got their start on, which I'm honored to even be a part of, like you know, a station that's legendary like that, and I'm grateful for everyone there, the PD and the general manager who gave a shot to these two teenage girls who ain't never been on the radio. And from there we just kind of like just grew, we discovered CHH. I've only been knowing about CHH for as long as I've been doing.

Meah: 8:41

Eminem live radio over the past 12 years.

Lish: 8:43

So discovering that music and then being able to create platforms for that and interview people and just be able to grow as the space grows, even grow as an interviewer, a broadcaster I'm so grateful. So that's kind of how Eminem live radio got it Got, it started.

Meah: 8:59

I love that radio. You have now become a podcaster yes, a podcast co-host on one of the biggest podcasts in christian hip-hop 116 life podcast. You guys have interviewed everybody that there is to interview. Oh my gosh, I was looking through youtube before I came on your podcast and I was like, okay, yeah, I was a little intimidated, I'm not not going to hold you.

Lish: 9:25

I was intimidated when they brought me on what you mean. I felt some type of way. I'm like y'all want me to be on the show.

Meah: 9:31

Listen and you are doing an amazing job. Tell me about the process of you becoming the co-host and how all that has you know has gone for you.

Lish: 9:39

Now, that's another favorable story. That's another favorable story. I don't even think I've even talked about this. So I, every year, reach does the summer playlist and at the time, ace, who's my cohost now, shout out to him and he was, he was, his wife was about to have their baby and so he's about to go on leave for that. And then so they needed for someone to co-host some episodes. So I was at an event for reach and, uh, our producer at the time, joe he saw me was like hey, mia, um, I was actually we were talking about you not too long ago, like we were looking for someone who can co-host and do guest hosts while ace is gone. Some episodes for the playlist, would you mind doing it? And I was like, yeah, that's no problem. So like, uh, I sent in, like they gave me two people's, uh, two episodes I did and, um, I recorded. It felt really, really good about it, walked away. I was okay, that was a real cool opportunity.

Lish: 10:28

I've never even interviewed by myself outside of my sister, so that was kind of cool, like you know doing, seeing that I was capable of doing it yeah and um, a couple weeks passed and then joe, the same guy who would work that reach at the time, um, him and d, who works at reach as well, who I've known, known for a minute. They were like hey, we want to take you to lunch. And at first I thought, okay, either I'm in trouble or I did something.

Meah: 10:49

Because I ain't getting a record deal, because I don't rap, I'm not a rapper, so I'm not getting signed.

Lish: 10:53

You know what I'm saying. So I was like, did I do that? I do something? How? Like you know uh, because at the time uh shout out to marcus hollinger who really started uh 116 life and you know, when he left reach, of course he left the show, so ace was really holding it down, but ace with him also being svp of anr at um at reach you know it's, it was a lot for him to do his duties as svp and then also be a host, yeah.

Lish: 11:19

So they were like you know, like you know, this is a lot. We're kind of looking for someone else who can kind of help carry the show, yeah, of 116 life with reach. We're trying to figure out what we want. I said yeah, I said I think I'll for sure find that. I said the show's great. You know, I have a lot of potential.

Lish: 11:30

And they're like, yeah, so we're asking you here, because we were asking you if you would be interested in being the co-host of the 116 life and I was kind of like why, you know? Like what are you? Y'all know y'all asking right, like are y'all sure y'all want me? And then at first I wasn't surelish for, like honestly, that I was fit to do it, fit to do it then, even also, if I had the time, at the time I was um producing a show, um, anike at the time had a podcast called the winner circle that I was proudly producing but took a lot. Like you know, it was a lot of energy for me to produce that along with my own show. So to do another show, I was kind of like I don't know, can I really do this? Do I have time? And then? So when they told me the vision behind it of just like 116 isn't just the music we listen to, it's the lives we live.

Meah: 12:15

You know what?

Lish: 12:15

I'm saying, and when they said that, I was like, yeah, I can run with that. You know what would love to be a part of something where it's? It's bigger than music, it's a movement, it's the life that we live and diving in, the lives of not just artists but of people who live these unashamed lives that bring people back to the glory of god.

Lish: 12:33

So, um, I'm so grateful it's been a year and some change now, with me being a part of reach and the biggest thing I love is like and I know you talk about representation, but even like being a woman being valued somewhere you know what i'm'm saying, like where it's? Like I'm not just the woman co-host, like you know. Like they ask me my opinion, they value my opinion. You know what I'm saying. Like be able to do something that I love as a job, and I was talking to you about this when you came to Reach about how it doesn't feel like work.

Lish: 12:58

You know what I'm saying, so I'm so grateful to be able to be a part of it, and I think I've even grown as an interviewer being there. Ace doesn't give himself enough credit. He's a great interviewer and I've learned from him as well. So I love being at 116 Live. I'm really grateful for it. It's all God. I can't take any credit for it.

Meah: 13:14

That was all, god, and you're a great interviewer, let me tell you. You know just sensitive stuff, you know, and I was like how in the world did she get me into it, because that's what I be doing? No, exactly Right. So when you on the other, side.

Lish: 13:25

You're kind of like how did she bamboozle?

Meah: 13:27

me Right so yeah. So you're really great at interviewing people and it's funny as I listen. You tell stories. You're like I don't know how this happened, or are they sure they want me? It kind of makes me laugh because no matter how much God elevates us, we still struggle at times to believe that we are worthy. You know, do you feel like you have a worthiness issue?

Lish: 13:58

Oh yeah, let's talk about that. God be checking me for real. I think I'll say this. So I had a. I had a past of always dealing with comparison when it comes to my sister, when it comes to just like a lot of things you know. So sometimes I wrestle. I'm not as bad as I used to be. I'm grateful to God, but sometimes I'm thinking, like you know, am I the right person, Like let's weigh out all options here.

Meah: 14:23

You know what I'm saying.

Lish: 14:25

I will say that I have to always check myself. If God gave me this, he must trust me. I'm able, I'm capable. You know what I'm saying? I always have to tell myself that I'm enough. You know, what I'm saying, and it's not even just me, you know what.

Meah: 14:40

I'm saying God is my portion so whatever I'm, lacking, he makes up for. You know what I'm saying. So if he chose you, you're ready. You know, and that's what I tell myself all the time. I'm like, how many things do I think I'm ready for that? God ain't said yes to yet, so the things he's saying yes to.

Lish: 14:53

I must be ready because there's a lot of things I'm asking. You know that what people be saying like God qualifies the call.

Meah: 15:00

He doesn't call the qualified. You know what I'm saying so.

Lish: 15:02

It's kind of like if he's calling me, I'm going to just trust, just roll with it. I'm going to trust that.

Meah: 15:07

I'm qualified Absolutely. That's all I got. Has your sister helped you through your transition to 116 Life?

Lish: 15:13

Oh, shout out to my sister, Misa Jones, Because at first when I was nervous to take 116 Life because I was like dang, how does she feel about?

Lish: 15:21

that I was like dang, how does she feel about that? You know what I'm saying. Like I don't want for her to feel like I'm stepping away or I'm giving someone else my time and energy, and she was so supportive even to this day, lish Like days when I'll do a solo interview or even just an interview with Ace, and I didn't feel that great about it. I'll call her and she'll be like you know, like don't beat yourself up. You learned something not sure on how I should interview this guest, because I've never they interview with everybody. You're like man, this is kind of a big person. I don't know what to say. She'll just be like okay, well, just relax. Like you know, have you considered doing this? Okay, well, even helping me formulate some questions, like you know things to ask.

Lish: 15:53

So, uh, I'm so grateful to Misa like she's just, she's like the definition of just a phenomenal sister, and she's really helped remind me who I am and that my that same capability that God gave me to like, do all of this, yeah.

Meah: 16:07

I love it. I got one of those two. I have an amazing older sister and you know, as we, you know, are celebrating and in the month of women's history, I want you to talk a little bit about how important the women in your life have been, whether it be media, church, mama, auntie. You know how have women fortified you to help you become the woman you are today?

Lish: 16:29

that's a good question, I think, for for me, I've grabbed a couple of different things. I think the women in my life, I think my sister, I think she's plays a big part, just because we grew up. We grew up really close, yeah, you know. So when you got a two years, two years apart.

Lish: 16:45

My sister and I are three really yeah, so like, so you get it, you know what I'm saying. Like we're having a someone who's not your mom, but like you know, who, like you can just go, but things they are, but things they are you know what I'm saying like will be mad at me for not telling, like, don't forget you, still just my sister. But then I'll feel guilty, like dang, I should have told me. So you know, like.

Lish: 17:01

So my sisters reminded me what it means to just be confident in who you are she's, just she's always been so confident in her life and, um, I've learned confidence from her and hard work from my mom, yeah, who just always makes sure that she's doing the things that she needs to get done, even prayer for my mom and faith for my mom, for my grandmother, of jars like caring for people and things of that nature. Yeah, and I even got to give credit to a lot of my friends. You know a lot of my friends seeing them be so devoted Like and you had her on your show Portia learning from her just what it means to be a devoted daughter, and Anike from learning from her just seeing seeing how her faith and being and caring about other people no matter how, what heights you go to.

Lish: 17:46

I have a mentor in my life, a part of her mentoring community. Her name is TK. I'm TK Webu, learning from her also what it means to be a daughter devoted you know at the feet of Jesus. You know what I'm saying.

Meah: 17:56

Shout out to TK TK.

Lish: 18:07

Let me tell you met her once in person, but just via instagram no, that's lish, you know.

Lish: 18:10

Finding her tk was truly god, because I was praying for like a mentor who like to have great community and like learn how to just not be a woman but also be feminine, yeah, and have faith. And then I didn't know, I'm following her. Every time I see her, I'm like you, you're just someone that just radiate beauty, faith, just like you just radiate something that I just aspire to be. And then, seeing that she had a mentoring community, I was like, oh Jesus, thank you so much.

Meah: 18:32

That's how God, let me say, that's how me and Portia became friends. God, certain people, god just ordains y'all to cross paths so that y'all can make up for each other's lack. You know, there's been so much growth and we got she and I got married around the same time.

Lish: 18:47

Our husbands are cool with each other.

Meah: 18:48

It's just like okay, this is a God thing. Very clearly you know what I mean. So yeah, I love that TK come sit on the couch.

Lish: 18:54

Anika, come sit on the couch. No, no, no. Come to nice couch.

Meah: 19:01

I'm doing an event with both of them. Yeah, april 5th Esther's arrival Esther's arrival so come through y'all. But yeah, I'm like, ooh, this is going to be a powerful time. So a time, bring your tissues, because I already know I'm excited.

Lish: 19:14

So she's been a person in your life and you've been saying other friends of yours, yeah, yeah, make sure that I keep women around me who I think TK's even pressed that into our group as well, just keeping women around you, who demand your higher self, the woman who God wants for you to be, and I'm just grateful to having people like that. Whether I talk to them every day or just seeing from afar, you know what I'm saying. That, oh, that's an attribute that I want to have.

Meah: 19:46

So I'm grateful for those women. For sure, you are a powerful woman who keeps powerful women around you, and as am I, but I also understand that you pay a price for that power. When there's a woman in your life who may not either have stepped into her power yet or is intimidated by your power, how have you dealt with that in this role?

Lish: 20:12

just you know, because the lights bring lights you know, saying, oh man, we getting into it. Uh, I think sometimes it can be frustrating on both ends when you have like you, I feel, like a lot of people, even like you know, women we have that friend that always go to that same buster guy and you're like girl, like what are you doing? Like for the 15th time. Or like that one friend who, like they, always underestimate their capability of to doing a certain gift. Yeah, and then, and then on the other end, you got that friend where it's just like they always try to make you feel small and, for whatever reason, it don't even make sense why.

Lish: 21:02

I've experienced all of those things. It can be frustrating and I think the way that I try to navigate through that is, I think, for the friends who are not necessarily I don't mean this in a pompous way, but on my level extend patience. I think patience is will help you and them for real, just because everyone, everyone, grows differently and knowing that everyone's going to arrive, but arrive in due time in a different season you know, and I'm not at the same pace you did, because to me it's common sense throw his number out yeah, you know what I'm saying, like go ahead and do the thing.

Lish: 21:51

believe in in yours Like all the things. Give your life to Christ.

Meah: 21:55

Let's get it.

Lish: 21:56

Right. Throw away them. Idols Right. Please stop Like. Why are you going to crystals and Jesus?

Meah: 22:01

Like it doesn't make sense to me Exactly.

Lish: 22:02

But even I'm not gonna lie to you, lish, praying for my friends has been a big thing. I'd be trying, I'd make it a consistent effort to try to cover my friends just because, even beyond my patience in the things that I want for them to do, ultimately I really want what God wants for them.

Meah: 22:20

You know what I'm saying.

Lish: 22:21

So like I call my friends out by name, yeah.

Meah: 22:25

You know what I'm saying. Like let go of their divinations.

Lish: 22:27

Please let them step into their calling. Let them be in motion, let them not have to worry about finances. Let them steward their finances. You know what I'm saying, so, like I, I, I, I extend patience, but also prayer. That's been a big thing. That's even helped keep me grounded because, as much as I want it for this, for you, I want, I want whatever God wants for you and above whatever I can do, god's going to do exceedingly beyond that, you know what I'm saying.

Meah: 22:49

And he loves you more than I ever could. Ever would Put you together, you know, formed you in your mother's womb, you know has plans to prosper, not to harm.

Lish: 22:56

It ain't me it ain't me.

Meah: 22:58

I can only do so much, and I talk about you, kind of talked about like on your level, and I get that because one of the things I've talked about in previous podcasts is when you are a person for which people have to pull themselves up to be around, there is a level of grace that you need to extend. Yes, because most people are not in covenant friendship and most people are not in friendship that calls them higher right, and so that is really a grace, and I think for me, what has helped me is that I've become humbled by the fact that God would even entrust his daughters to me in any way.

Meah: 23:37

I'm like you know and just to be frank, anything I'm patient. I have to be patient with people about it's something they got to be patient with me about when I tell you.

Lish: 23:48

My friends will tell you. It takes me three to five business days just to text back. You know what I'm saying and my friends will be fed up with me.

Meah: 23:53

I've had a friend you. It take me three to five business days just to text back.

Lish: 23:54

You know what I'm saying and then my friends would be fed up with me. You know I've had a friend who's confronted me about that you know what I'm saying, so I try to remind my the very same thing, like the same patience and grace that I extend. I know that I still need.

Meah: 24:06

I need it badly. And let me tell you what's really going to teach you that marriage for real girl. Yeah, girl, you're gonna be like, uh, I guess I'm not perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's a beautiful thing to learn in friendship and so much of what I learned in friendship has sustained me in other, in business and marriage and stewardship of good things in the kingdom of god. It's like, oh, you learn this. And because here's the thing about friendship and this is why I love sisterhood and groups, and because community, because what you do with your peers is who you really are- talk about it.

Lish: 24:43

That's just what it is.

Meah: 24:43

It is you know how you treat someone who you look up to or who you're trying to work with or who you work for. You know, or how you treat your niece or your nephew, that's who you are. You know that. That's that's who you are, yeah, but how you treat your niece or your nephew, that's who you are. That's who you are. But how you treat your peers is really who you are, really who you are, because it's like you lose all the formality.

Meah: 25:04

There's some formality in how I treat my nephews. They're kids, I'm not going to whatever. There's some formality in how I treat my mother and my father, but my cousins, my sister, that's lish formality. And how I treat my mother and my father and you know whatever, but my cousins, my sister, that's lish, it is what it is right for real. My brother, my siblings, it is what it is. And so I think those peer relationships of people in a similar life stage, a similar age you don't all have to be the same, exact age, but similar age, similar life stage that's where you get to really work out your character. Yes, yes, because you see the real you see's where you get to really work out your character.

Meah: 25:34

Yes, yes, because you see the real you. You see how impatient you get. You see how you can talk to people when you're hangry. You see how you can talk to people when they don't agree with they will expose you, your, your, your relationship should be a mirror yes, I forgot who I heard say that yes but it was like they should.

Lish: 25:49

It should show you a reflection of who you are, so it's either oh okay, that's a good trait about me, I should keep that going, or what's that in my eye?

Meah: 25:58

right, that ain't cute. That ain't cute, it's not cute.

Lish: 26:01

It's not cute me always thinking that I can, when we're bad, I can cuss you out. You know what I'm saying.

Meah: 26:07

At the end of the day, hang up on you, walk away from you.

Lish: 26:09

You just don't make. I won't listen how I treat you as a friend, even when I'm angry matters because, at the end of the day, our goal is to be friends you know what I'm saying.

Lish: 26:18

So even seeing like how, how I treat you when I'm angry, yes, how I treat you when I'm stressed out, how I treat you when I'm at my best and I'm like that, that should show you you, yep. So it's important to be able to realize how you, your friendship, should refine you in the best and worst way and it's important to have friends who are honest with you.

Meah: 26:34

I have some very honest friends and I don't really attract people who don't keep it real. You know, I met with a woman in my church recently who I don't know extremely well. She is someone who I think is really great and I had reached out to her in the past to kind of help me out with something, but I never really followed up and she got injured and you know whatever, whatever, and I just kind of like let it fall by the wayside.

Meah: 26:59

So she asked me if we could meet up and I didn't know what she wanted to meet up about. So she wanted to meet up to disciple me, honey. So we get together and she just and I'm telling you she did it so lovingly she just she's an older woman, she has adult children, she's been married for 20-something years and she just kind of corrected me on going faster alone. She was like you do a lot of things alone because you're very capable, but the problem is nobody's learning from you, and that's not ministry. I mean, she got me together.

Meah: 27:29

She got me together Snatched me up. I love good discipleship. Guess how I feel about her now. You love her, you value her and I need that. We need that.

Meah: 27:40

You know, a lot of times people, young people who are deemed as wise or successful, right, you get in this space where the older people in your life start treating you like you don't need discipling or like you don't need counsel. I don't know if this has happened to you yet. Maybe not. Maybe because you're still in your 20s, but something happens when you're in your 30s and then you get married. People start treating you like oh, you got it. Yeah, you're good, you're good Girl. Yeah, I hate it. Okay. So I have, literally over the last, I would say, six months, I have set specific women down. This woman wasn't one of them. She just, she just raw, like that. But I set specific women down and told them hey, we are not peers, we're not peers. I have this woman in my life who I call my young OG because she's young. She's 50. Yeah, but she has an adult daughter, a teen daughter. She's owned homes, she runs businesses.

Lish: 28:38

Oh, she OG. Yeah, you know. So she's young, but she OG.

Meah: 28:41

And you know she just be treating me like we the same. Like I'll talk to her about stuff in my marriage, she'll talk to me about stuff in hers. We're really good friends. Like you know, she's becoming one of my closest friends and I had to sit her down a couple of months ago and say, hey, I know that we, you know that we admonish each other and we disciple each other, but we're not peers. And sometimes I need you to say to me little girl, stop doing that. You're 20, almost 20 years older than me. Like you have a grown child, I don't have a child. You own two houses. I don't own one. Like, please, don't see me as a please. I know you think I'm wise and I'm the women's ministry leader at my church and all of this stuff Cool, but I'm still only 30 at the time, 36, I'm 37 now and I don't. I need it. Yeah, I tell my own mother.

Lish: 29:31

Your growth depends on it, I be telling my mother.

Meah: 29:33

I need to be mothered in this situation. Don't look, you know my daughter's so wise. She's so no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not that wise. Okay, you can teach me something, a lot, a lot. Give me a smack on the hand, please. You know what I that, as my example points to, sometimes it's hard to get it above and below, but in that peer space, you know, if you have friends around you and y'all not correcting each other, y'all not discipling each other, somebody lying, something ain't right, something ain't right, I'm not saying every time y'all get together it needs to be a hard talk.

Lish: 30:04

No, no, no but I do feel like, if you got yet I don't, yeah, beefing, knocking you buck with your friends. I'm not saying that, but if, if no one's correcting you, no, yeah, some are you.

Meah: 30:17

You, I feel like you're lying to me and even if it's, they could be correcting you on something that don't have nothing to do with y'all. Yeah, yeah, you know they could be correcting you on your tone with the waiter. Yeah, they could be correcting you on what?

Lish: 30:27

but they need to be honest with you, because who else is going to do it? So I love.

Meah: 30:30

I love that you have friends that do that. I want to pivot just a little bit here. You, um have interviewed, as we said earlier, some of everybody. Okay, now, this is even before 116 life. You was interviewing prominent people in in, um, christian hip-hop and then also, you know, playing new music of people who are trying to get on. So that brings people. I think I got a dm to to, um, eminem, like I think I think. So I'm about to look. Actually I think I dm y'all when I was putting music out.

Meah: 31:02

Yeah, um, so you, you are someone who's been pretty much highly sought after in this space. You've interviewed just recently because I didn't even go that far back people like lecrae, jackie Hill, perry, shanla Moore, phillip A Mitchell who's like the hottest preacher out right now, like you know, and so you've sat with these people and you ask questions. We could get all deep, but I'm gonna go a different way. Okay, what has been your favorite interview for you? Like, what has what has been the interview that somebody said something that you still hold on to?

Lish: 31:39

dang, I'm gonna have to go recent because I'm not gonna lie, you saying memory bias years.

Meah: 31:45

I'd be like dang, who did I?

Lish: 31:47

talk to um. I think one of the my favorite people I've talked to. That was impactful. I'll say that impactful, I'll go from two different ends. One was pastor philip. Um, I'm really grateful to have had him on um I've I met pastor philip I want to say 2021. We both, him and his, uh, his wife, lena. They both went. We all went to the same gym and we had a really tight gym community at the time.

Lish: 32:13

And this was before even his church was called 2819. But he was like the same pastor everyone sees now I love that he was then I love that and we were trying to think of people to have on the show and then our engineer brought up Pastor Phillip and I still had his number. I was like I don't want to see him Like clout chasey, I really don't. I was like most he can say is no.

Meah: 32:41

So I reached out and, um, he was able to be on the show and when I tell you on and off air, he was just so edifying to everyone around.

Lish: 32:44

I've heard that from every person like everyone I know who has personally been around him, edifying around to everybody who walked in the room. If you just walked by, hey bro, I like what you're doing over there. You work really diligently. You're a good a good steward Like he just walking past holding the trash Like it would be like the things that you would think so small.

Lish: 32:59

But, he's just so wise, so devoted to God, such a man of God, and I can't even pinpoint that. I cried on that show, that episode. I was just. There were so many things that he spoke to that spoke to me about. Are we okay being misunderstood?

Meah: 33:15

Yes.

Lish: 33:15

You know what I'm saying. I was kind of just like man, like that's something that I've wrestled with sometimes, with like man, people don't just get it. But it's like, okay, but can you still be faithful and misunderstood to what God has for you? And even off air, him saying so many different gems, I was like, where is my notepad, my notes? What is the title of this sermon? Because I need it.

Lish: 33:35

So, his interview was one that was great, and another one that meant a lot to me was we interviewed this film director. His name is Rich Perez. He's based here in Atlanta and he went from. He was a pastor for years and then pivoted into being a film director and has competed at different festivals. One has an amazing um, a film called. I think it's called. It stays with us.

Lish: 33:57

I can't remember what, um what it's called um, but I know that he for him to be a pastor for so long and then to just go into film and follow what god want. Call for him to do. That takes a lot of guts risk. You know what I'm saying and him just saying, like you know, I asked him a question that was really for me at the end of the show.

Lish: 34:15

I was like you know. I was like what advice do you give to young storytellers, people who want to tell stories? He was just like you know don't be afraid to self-interrogate.

Meah: 34:23

Look at everything that you do as a way oh, I love that, don't you love that?

Lish: 34:29

walk away now like that was so great. Um, being able to self-interrogate and see, you know what story like. Look at everything as a story. Like you know someone saying something you heard across the street live life. The only way you're able to tell the story is if you live life, you see other people's lives.

Meah: 34:44

I gotta go back and watch that one. No, you do, I'll send it to you it's one of my favorite interviews.

Lish: 34:48

So those two really inspired me in, in in a spiritual way, in a creative way, because there are ways of me that even before Eminem that I was creative, in, that I still have aspirations up till today. So those interviews really yeah, really carry weight to me what was the first red carpet that you ever did?

Meah: 35:04

and tell me about that experience because you know, you know offline I got some red carpets coming up and I'm actually very nervous. Oh, we might have to edit that out. But no, you're gonna tell me. Just tell me about your experience. You know, on the first red carpet that you went to, how it came about, how you prepared what you remember from.

Lish: 35:22

Okay, I think, hmm, I'm trying to remember the very first red carpet, like you've done a lot, but I think the first big red carpet I did was doves.

Meah: 35:35

Okay, and this was year I think 45th.

Lish: 35:38

Okay, this was the year that I forget his name. The lead singer of mercy, me and cray hosted um I can't remember but, um, they hosted.

Lish: 35:49

And when I tell you, sis, I finesse we, we say we, well, really, we snuck on and and and got to like favor ain't fair. You know what I'm saying. So I take all credit. Glory to God. Um finessed our way on that carpet and I was. It was one of the most nerve-wracking but adrenaline pumping things I've ever experienced and I was so nervous. Um, I remember we interviewed we interviewed Cray. That that was the first time I interviewed Cray and then, I think, everyone on the roster at the time I reached. We interviewed them in one sitting and that's one of the most cringiest interviews I've ever did. I can never watch that because I was so nervous.

Lish: 36:33

I'm so even new to CHH at the time because, I'm just now learning about who's who, so I'm so genuinely big fans of these people. So I was really really nervous and also it's hard interviewing like five people on the carpet and you have this much space. You know what I'm saying. So I remember it was. I remember that carpet was really memorable because it was the first big time thing I've ever did, yeah, and I was just kind of like man, this is nerve-wracking, but I kind of like it. Yeah, I feel like I'm. I'm kind of I feel like I could do this again, yeah, so, um, and I love doing doves, so that was that's what carpet. That the first big carpet I really did, and I don't even know how they even let us on. I think that's why they beeped up security now, because when they saw like who are these two girls who got, I had blue hair at the end I was like who are these kids who are on the carpet? But no, that year at Dove's, that was memorable.

Meah: 37:24

That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to take the opportunities that the Lord provides, okay.

Lish: 37:27

Listen, the one he provides. So how many have you done since then? Red carpet, yeah, or dove red carpet, just red carpets in general. I know, I don't know if I can give you that number. She's big doll, pit bull right now. I don't. I don't even know. Um, I know it hasn't been a lot recently.

Meah: 37:48

Um, I know the last one I did, was does last year, but that's a big deal I've done, I know I I've been to a lot of carpets. Yeah, I know, I know Dang how many carpets have I done. And it's really cool because you know, as I was doing so, last year I did the red carpet for the BCI award ceremony yes. And on that red carpet, you know, was a lot of prominent influencers, Christian influencers and then also preachers like Jerry.

Lish: 38:14

Flowers yes.

Meah: 38:16

And I was so nervous because I'm like I don't know.

Lish: 38:19

I don't want to say anybody's name on here.

Meah: 38:21

No, no, no, no and then what happens is you just do it, you just do it, you just allow yourself to do it and allow yourself to be free. And let me tell you how I can relate to the whole cringe, because it took me months to even watch the footage.

Lish: 38:34

Oh, no, no, no. It took me months. We did Doves last year in October. I still haven't watched all that footage. It's very rare that I even watch that stuff. So, yes, I relate, but then when I watched it, back.

Meah: 38:45

I'm like this is so good.

Lish: 38:46

These are so good.

Meah: 38:47

This is so good and so I really, you know, I want to take a moment for you to give young girls or even it don't have to be young Listen, I'm starting my media. You know career I started at 35, right, getting serious about my media career. So it's been almost two years now. It's been about two years now. But for you, anybody who's listening, who wants to be in media, whether it be Christian media, chh or just media period, right.

Lish: 39:22

What advice would you give them if they feel like they still haven't found their voice?

Lish: 39:26

I think it's very important for you to be comfortable with you. I only say that because it took me probably like five years-ish to be really comfortable with me. There were so many times where I would try. When we were on the AM station they would say oh yeah, like Misa, my sister. Yeah, she's going to be right on the mic, so y'all have to keep her mic so hot. But Mia, she's laid back so y'all have to turn up for her. And I took so much offense to that. So I would try to sound like Misa and I would try to host like Misa and my people who were listening said y'all sound just alike. And we still get that. But yeah, we sound alike, because I was trying to sound like her.

Meah: 40:01

You know what?

Lish: 40:01

I'm saying. So it took me a while to figure out who am I. You know what I'm saying. Even can be kind of silly sometimes.

Meah: 40:11

I don't think you're as quirky as you think you are, because that's not the first time I heard you say that You're very normal. No well, and fly and cool.

Lish: 40:17

Let me tell you something this is all a facade. I'm cosplaying as an Instagram fly girl. I'm really strange, okay. So I say all that to say that I think I give credit. I like to say that I think the I give credit. I think, honestly, I don't think I'd be able to handle the red carpets I do today, the interviews I do today, if I wasn't comfortable with comfortable with me. But then even also confidence. I think confidence is so key. You can't, you can't hold a conversation if you aren't speaking up, if you don't even have the right posture. It's like sometimes those, those things like your posture, how you ask a question, eye contact, will tell on, tell on yourself.

Meah: 40:54

You're second guessing every single thing you say.

Lish: 40:56

It's uncomfortable for you, it's uncomfortable for the watcher, it's uncomfortable for the person you're interviewing. You need confidence is key and I don't believe in fake it till you make it. Be it I live. My mantra I say at the end of every single Eminem live radio show is be yourself like you mean it. Like the end of every single m&m live radio show is be yourself like you mean it, like be you.

Lish: 41:16

If you're quirky, be that. You know. I'm saying if you're outgoing, don't ever try to limit yourself, minimize that for anything, because that's going to read through yeah authenticity always reads through, always praise god, you know, because that's all I got.

Meah: 41:28

But like you're so real, I'm like that's what I got to give you.

Lish: 41:31

Real recognizes, real people crave authenticity, especially within the culture we live in now. You know what I'm saying. Like nobody wants anything fake. They can smell it, they're, they're gone because no one can relate to that yeah so be authentically you and then be confident in that. And then, when you're confident in it, now sit in that and be comfortable in that. So then, when you interview whoever go, apply for any red carpet, even when you get turned down, you're confident you brush it off and you and you can move on.

Meah: 41:57

Yes, I love that, I love that, and I think too, it's important, you know, if you are a believer, which is our demographic?

Lish: 42:03

so most of you, if you're listening to this.

Meah: 42:04

You probably are, or you're gonna be, one right in the name of Jesus. Amen, um but um, get your confidence from God when.

Meah: 42:12

I feel like I don't know if I can do something or when I get turned down. You know, there's been things, rooms I've tried to be in and I tell people all the time every industry is very small. No matter how big you think it is, it's small. I say the same thing. So whenever you don't get something, chances are you know the person who got it Exactly Got it Exactly. When you can't get in a room, chances are half the people in the room are going to be people you personally know. Yes, like not just. Oh, we've seen them before.

Meah: 42:37

Yeah, you've sat down with them, you're cool with them, you see them at events, and it was just their chance and not yours, right, yeah, exactly, exactly, and so what I always tell people is get your confidence from God, but also trust God's no Like when it comes to whether you do music, whether you act, whatever. There's just. These are just industries full of rejection. That's just the facts. If everyone could be it, everyone would be it, you know.

Meah: 43:03

And so you have to trust God's no just as much as you trust his yes. When he lets you in, you're not like, oh wait, no, you're like all right, cool, even if you're scared, you go through the door. So when he closes the door, you have to allow the closed door to always say God knows a kindness to us, it's a kindness to you. He loves you too much to give you something that would hurt you, that you're not ready for or that would hurt his other children. Mercy Right, because you're not the only kid of his. I'm not. Mercy Right, because you're not the only kid of his. He got other children down here and so if giving you an opportunity would be harmful to his other children, you just may not get it.

Meah: 43:40

And so, having you know, I get a lot. I have a lot of confidence in the things that I've been asked to do, even the things I feel like I'm not qualified for. I have confidence because I really do understand that God has put me in position and he trusts me, and when I trust someone with something, the last thing I want to hear them telling me is that they can't. That's very annoying to me, like I have interns and stuff and I was like, well, if they start, I'm like forget it, you don't got, it's all right, I'll get somebody else to do it. Let me get somebody, cause you clearly, you know, and I'm over here acting silly and he like it's all right, let me get somebody else.

Meah: 44:20

Yeah, because he will, because he will and have like, and so I just really want to encourage you, if you want to do anything you know, to really go after it confidently, and I love that. You said be yourself like you mean it. I love that. That's good, listen, I'm gonna get in your business for 10 seconds. Oh, lord, in your singlehood, okay, first of all, how are you feeling about your singlehood and what do you feel like God is teaching you in your singlehood?

Lish: 44:40

Oh, I love this question. I think I'm the most at peace I've ever been and it makes me so happy-ish it could break me to tears almost. I've been single my whole life and I've never, never been in a relationship, nothing like that. And it's just you go through so many waves of your reasons why I'm too busy, then it was okay, I haven't found anybody or I'm not attracted to anybody.

Lish: 45:13

The ones ones I want, they don't want me, and the ones that want me, y'all want them. You know what I'm saying and always trying to figure out God, when, oh when, oh when, and I'm just finally at the place, I don't know, I just feel like God's just like, oh, finally, he's got it, finally. Man, I just love being a daughter. I really do. I'm just, I'm striving for it every day. Yeah, where I'm not, I'm not worried about what's next. I know God already has it.

Lish: 45:41

And I know I have access to this beautiful love. Yeah, that just can never surpass anything anyone can give me, you know. So I know I've been through the roller coaster, I've been through the fire, I've been through the roller coaster, I've been through the fire, I've been through the emotions I've been, I've been out through all of that. It's just I'm grateful now being here. Yeah, yeah, how'd you get there for someone who is watching you and is like well, I'm glad you there, but right now I'm over this and I'm ready, right.

Meah: 46:10

So what? How'd you get there?

Lish: 46:17

Man, yeah right, so what? How'd you get there? Um man, I feel like there's so many answers to that question. How did I get here? I'm about to get real. I'm about to get really real and y'all not gonna like this answer.

Lish: 46:31

I stopped making being in a relationship an idol. I stopped idolizing it. I stopped making it the moment that's when I'm gonna be the happiest. Like I stopped thinking that, oh, all these'm going to be the happiest, yeah. Like I stopped thinking that, oh, all these things are going to be great when, and that I'm missing something. And that's what I'm missing. And, oh God, I'm a pray to you so I can meet my husband. I'm a fast so I can meet. A post to just fasting so I can be with Jesus. I post to praying just so I can spend time with God. I saw someone post on threads Say something like imagine you getting before God and talking about all your prayer time with him. All the times you prayed to him, you were talking about wanting to meet him.

Lish: 47:15

The times I spent with a man.

Meah: 47:17

A man, I got one and I can tell you right now you know what I'm saying that God, there are other gifts that God gives you. You know what I'm saying that fortify your life. Exactly, that ain't the only gift. Exactly, you know what I'm saying.

Lish: 47:29

It's a gift, but singleness is not a punishment.

Meah: 47:31

Not at all.

Lish: 47:32

It's not. It is a beautiful gift.

Meah: 47:34

Yeah.

Lish: 47:34

And I think when I tore down that idolizing those idols and stopped trying to strive to get God to do something for me, is when it's not even like, oh God started coming out of nowhere, and I don't get me wrong, that's happened like from time to time. However, it's just kind of like for me in this moment it's okay, I'm content just being with the Lord. Let's say I never get a relationship. Let's say I never get married. I'm okay with that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's like there's nothing, there is nothing missing.

Lish: 48:16

Yeah, you know, because anything because everything I'm going to get after that it's going to be addition to, it's going to be another blessing, it's a bonus. It's going to be a bonus, you know. So I'm so grateful to be in this place and I pray that anyone who is listening, any single woman you just let go of your list, let go of your timeline just for a little bit and just focus on just being a daughter. God just wants you to be at his feet. He just wants you to just pray to him, just to pray, like, imagine, just praying for God, just not talking about what you want and the relationship. Yeah, the date that you want, how everyone's booed up, but you just let that to and just sink into the love, the amazing, endless, deep, reckless, overwhelming love that he has for you. Now, yeah, not the one that you gotta get right, the one you gonna get is great.

Meah: 49:07

Yes girl, how do you realize what you've got right here?

Lish: 49:10

it's like when you, when I'm so happy that that veil that I've been, I'm no longer blind yeah, I'm. It's just like uh, yeah, this is a piece that just sits upon that, sits upon you. That's just like you're just. I'm just so grateful for it. Sorry, that was, no, please. We love long and listen. You know you said something. I'm just so grateful for it. Sorry, that was long, no, please.

Meah: 49:25

We love long and listen. You know. You said something that I think is so important that I you got to let go of the timeline. I personally am okay with list fast Pray, do what you got to do Right. Everyone's in different seasons. There were seasons of my singlehood where I didn't need to be a daughter. Yeah. Then there were seasons where I was struggling and my physical needs were very real yeah, and.

Lish: 49:46

I needed to fast and pray Right.

Meah: 49:48

And all and everything in between. That, yeah, but let go of the timeline. People have made terrible decisions and mistakes and married the wrong person Wrong Because of the timeline part. That's the most dangerous part to me, because everything else you know. Whatever you can figure out your heart posture or why you're praying or why you're fasting.

Lish: 50:10

Think that your timeline is God. I know, I know he laughing. I know he laughing at the one. I read the scripture. It's in Isaiah, I think, isaiah 55, you know, where it says God's ways are not our ways.

Lish: 50:23

Thoughts are not our thoughts in the Hebrew ways translates as path and journey. Thoughts translates as um. Ah, it's slipping my mind either way. I know with ways it translates as a journey and path and just thinking out there itself. Wow, god's journey, his path. One of them is direction as well. Direction is not mine, no, nothing like it. So his time. What makes you think God's timeline is yours?

Meah: 50:59

and and with our best thinking and planning, we've gotten ourselves into some of the dumbest situations ever, you know, and not just relational, just just things. So you know one of the things for me that really helped me to wait on god being a disciple at 14, not being married until I was 35, being a virgin the entire time, which there were times where I felt like I was gonna rip out every hair on my head and my eyelashes and my eyebrows.

Lish: 51:24

I was was over it right.

Meah: 51:26

Some women are like I'm just pure and I'm just waiting. I was not one of those women. I was struggling. Okay, that's another episode for another time. I did not always do great in my purity because I wanted to have sex. I was trying to think of a different way to say that, yeah, that's what it is. But I had made a vow to God Thank God I had so much, so many great women in my life to help me, you know. But there were times where I really struggled and the thing that I had to take off the throne for me was my own pleasure, not just sexual pleasure, but the pleasure that I thought being married would bring into my life.

Meah: 52:03

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't have to worry about anything because I have a husband right Now. God is gracious, because that that isn't. You know a lot of my reality now, but I lived a life without that reality so that I could understand God's hand and plan and what I would say. And I'm so proud of you for the way you are stewarding your singleness, because people don't think that's something that's steward, but it is. No, it is. I'm so proud of you because the truth is, if you don't get that part right, you will have a very unhappy marriage. Yes, you know you will have a very unhappy marriage if you know people.

Meah: 52:36

Someone said this to me when I was dating in a relationship one time they say he'll make a terrible lord, you know, and it's the same with husbands okay, you have a man, he'll make a great husband. That's a bar. He'll make a terrible lord. Jesus is lord. And when you put relationship and again you said you know you had to take away the idol. For some people it's not relationship. Some people that's the idol of success.

Meah: 53:01

I'll be happy when I'm sitting with me, yeah, yeah, when I can interview this person. I'll be happy when I lose the weight, yeah, I'll be happy when I'm sitting where Mia's sitting, when I can interview this person. I'll be happy. When I lose the weight, I'll be happy when I have this amount of money in my bank account. And God is a jealous God. He's a very jealous God. He wants you to be happy because he woke you up this morning. He wants you to be happy because he loves you, because he's very well pleased with you Like this. He wants you to be happy because he loves you, because he's very well pleased with you to practice.

Lish: 53:26

He wants you to be happy because he sent his son to die on the cross for you when I think I heard pastor philip say this where I was like when has jesus stopped being enough? And he said that I was like dang you're right, yeah we always think I know I have. Yeah. I thought that, oh well, I need this and it's gonna be great, or I'll be great when I get this when.

Lish: 53:46

I lose this when I make this much when I live here and it's kind of like well, but when has Jesus stopped being enough for you? When did he?

Meah: 53:56

stop being enough, and it's so important that you know, not just in singlehood but in life, because there will always be something right. You get the husband and then now is when am I gonna get kids? Yeah, yeah you know, it's so important that we remember that God, who loves us dearly, must be enough for us must fill our void um. I love that answer. Thank you for your honorability.

Lish: 54:19

No, thank you, I was like you said you weren't expecting to say that on 116. I wasn't expecting to say that here I love that Good.

Meah: 54:26

So, mia, you, like me, are very serious about prayer. Oh yeah, yeah, girl, you don't play about prayer, can't play about it. What are you praying about these days, and how's that going for you? How's it going in your heart, I think?

Lish: 54:41

I've really when I tell you my prayer life, I have a schedule, Like on Sundays, I pray for myself, my family, my husband, my future husband and my future kids. On Tuesday, I pray for my friends. On Wednesday, I pray for my church. On Thursday, I pray for businesses.

Lish: 55:02

I'm a part of Friday I pray for healing. Saturday I pray for businesses. I'm a part of Friday I pray for healing Um. Saturday I pray for the world like community. So, like I got it locked in, I will say, as far as I, I'm I'm really honing in on really making sure I'm I'm praying for others, though.

Lish: 55:19

I think that's really a big thing for me.

Lish: 55:21

I just I think there's so much power in intercession, for, for me personally, I think the biggest thing I've been praying for myself I just I think there's so much power in intercession, yeah, for for me personally, I think the biggest thing I've been praying for myself is just to be submitted, um, just for me to be submitted to anything, what God has wants for me to do with regarding anything. I think it's so funny. God's got me doing a lot of things and that I'm I'm really trying to stay submitted to and like, as soon as I true, it's just like before my mind even goes to, oh well, god, I mean, I really don't need to the scripture that instantly comes in my mind is like why you call me lord, lord and you don't do what, period. So I'm like I can't even get the, I can't even try to negotiate with myself. So I'm really trying to just pray. I've been praying lately for me to be submitted. I did that, pray that over everybody, because I know I'm not the only person who needs to be that.

Lish: 56:06

You know what I'm saying, so I'll be praying that with my family or my friends praying that, um, that they just be submitted to what god wants for them. I've been praying a lot for my friends, for them to let go of divinations and for them to stop having jesus and this and jesus and crystals and jesus and tarot cards.

Meah: 56:21

Like I like all these, I've been praying, like you know what I'm saying like I've been praying for a lot of people for salvation. I'm a.

Lish: 56:26

I'm a middle school girls, a small group leader and one of my uh girls. She's always praying for salvation for her dad. I'm always praying, like you know, thinking about that for her, and you know, I just really my, my, I'm praying for my, my family, my nieces, like you know, things like that. So, um, I know that was a lot, but, um, I've I've really been trying to specify and not waste my prayers.

Meah: 56:48

I won't pray amiss. You know what I'm saying.

Lish: 56:49

So that's been on the list.

Meah: 56:52

I love that. I love that Prayer is so important. And you know, the Bible says the prayer of a righteous man is powerful, powerful, and so continue to pray. You know, not just you, but you all of us, yeah. You know, because God really does hear us and change things. Because of it, we have a question that we ask here and I'll just let myself in when we end the show, and that question is in the grand scheme of things, what do you?

Lish: 57:20

want your legacy to be authenticity. I really thrive on that. I just want for when people to look back at the things I've done, what I said, who I was when I just walked in a room, yeah, I want people to just know that I was just being who god created me to be. I want people to know that I was just being myself. I wasn't trying to put on. I just always used to have this mindset of that. This makes sense to people.

Lish: 57:54

People like this and finally breaking free from that. There's just so much freedom in that and sometimes, when you're authentic, you give other people the permission to be authentic themselves.

Lish: 58:04

You make other people feel comfortable, and I just want people to look at what I did, just even just who I am, just really just who I am. Yeah, um, that I was just authentic when it came to me speaking about the things that god's brought me through me, being authentic with me, encouraging somebody, me being authentic and just me. Being real about me being me and not shadowing that and succumbing that. And being authentic when it came to my singleness. Being authentic when it came to how I dress, like everything. It's just like she never put on. She was just always herself, and because she was herself, I made me feel comfortable to be myself as well. So if I could just be able to let people be authentic, feel comfortable, being authentic through my own authenticity, I think that's that I've done my job.

Meah: 58:50

I love that and you are well on your way to cementing that legacy. Listen, thank you so much for being here. Tell the people where they can find you.

Lish: 58:58

Yes, so listen, I don't care about you following me?

Meah: 59:00

I really don't.

Lish: 59:05

If you want to follow me, you can follow me at Mia Evans. That's M-E-A-H-E-V-A-N-S, but follow my podcast. That means a lot to me. My podcast I've been doing for 12 years now this year called Eminem Live Radio. Our Instagram is at MMLiveRadio and that's on absolutely everything and you can find us on all podcasting platforms and please tap in. I feel like that's the best way. Don't follow me, follow eminemi radio. And if you want to tap into the 116 life, I think our instagram is at 116 life and um, yeah, and also y'all. Please keep supporting lish. Let's just so fire at what she does. It's such a great show and please be tapped in every week. Engage with the post.

Lish: 59:38

Don't just look at it like, don't be, don't do that like just look at it like it, comment, and you might as well just go ahead and share it to your story when you do it, and then we listen to the show. Send the link to somebody.

Meah: 59:48

You know what I'm saying.

Lish: 59:49

So because we need more great people like Lish in the space and sis. Thank you for being obedient. Thank you for doing what you do being yourself.

Meah: 1:00:01

so much, Thank you Listen. Tap into Holy Culture Radio as well.

Lish: 1:00:05

Yes.

Meah: 1:00:05

Sirius XM Station 140. I'm on Monday nights at 8pm Eastern Standard Time. When is 116? On Tuesdays at 8pm. Tap into Holy Culture Radio. Listen, this has been another episode of. I'll Just Let Myself In With your Girlish Speaks. As you know, here what we always say is if you can let yourself in, the mechanism is nearby, right, the key is under the mat or under a rock. If you can let yourself in, that means the door just might open when you get close enough to it. God has things for you to let yourself into, and I want this to be the week yes, this week After you listen to this episode. Let this be the week that you stop waiting for an imaginary permission slip and you allow yourself into your God given doors. I can't wait to see you back next week for another one. Peace y'all, bye.